Wndyri Plus subscribers can binge all episodes of The Price of Paradise early and ad-free. Join WNDYRI Plus in the WNDYRI app or on Apple podcasts. When you live in paradise, every day should be perfect. For Jane, this means no cold, gray skies, no judgmental neighbors, no relentless school run. But despite all her efforts, the picture-perfect paradise she's been working so hard to create over the past year is falling to pieces. Their kidnapping is all over the news. The children are frightened, and her partner Phil has just come out of hospital, his burnt arm hidden under long sleeves. Since that night, nothing has been the same. Jane's determined to try to keep her dream alive, but it's hard. Jane, especially, and Phil were pretty wired and nervous. And TV producer Billy feels the same way. After returning to the island, he's been feeling nervous, too. What had started off as a fun half-hour documentary about a couple escaping to the sun has transformed into a very dark drama, one with an unknown ending. I felt uneasy as well, knowing that what had happened could happen again. It's fair to say everyone is on edge. So when a new boat approaches the island one morning in October and the passengers emerge into view, Billy feels a cold chill run down his neck.

It was two armed people on the back of the boat, so I could see standing up. He glances at Jane as she turns and runs towards their shack. She was petrified. She was scared. She was really unnerved by what had happened. But if he thought Jane had gone to hide, he's wrong. She was always very, very angry of what happened to Phil and what her family had been put through. She comes back, gun in hand, marching defiantly towards the water. Billy looks on, astonished as she raises the gun. You don't fire at people in Nicaragua, and certainly in that area, without some consequence. Then Jane lines up the site and closes one eye. Hello, I'm Emily, one of the hosts of Terrible Famous, the show that takes you inside the lives of our biggest celebrities. Some of them hit the big time overnight, It's great. Some have to plug away for years. But in our latest series, we're talking about a man who was world famous before he was even born. A life of extreme privilege that was mapped out from the start, but left him struggling to find his true purpose. A man who, compared to his big brother, felt a bit, you know, spare.

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Episode 4, Reality Hits. I'm sure I'd be pretty high on the nervous scale if I'd been kidnapped at gunpoint from a remote desert island, staged a dramatic escape from a burning boat, and been forced to hide out all night in a swamp. Yet my temper might be frayed, but I was as relieved as Billy to realize that Jane was trying to scare away their latest visitors, not kill them. She was firing over their heads. At the time, we didn't know who they really were. It was only afterwards that we realized it was an environmental agency. Not gangsters, not drug kingpins, civil servants, armed with clipboards. A group of 10 officials from the Ministry of the Environment, after pressure from Maria and her team, were coming to Janique to speak to the Gaskins about accusations of environmental damage. They want to inspect the nesting sites of the endangered turtles, who have also called the island home, but the officials left with the sound of gunshot in their ears. This is definitely going on the front page of their next report, in bold, in red, maybe underlined, too. As night falls after another stressful day, Billy can't quite believe what's been unfolding around him.

He's a London TV producer with a lot of experience, sure. But here he is as one of the sole witnesses of a stranger-than-fiction story. He's part confidante, part pseudo family member, but ultimately, first and foremost, he's after the story. But that story was not supposed to involve a shootout. That night, I remember being probably the most scared that I was. Lying awake, Billy keeps thinking he can hear another boat approaching. Should he get up and check? His mind is racing. Would they come back with more people, more arms? What was going to happen? That was pretty frightening. All this just to make an hour of reality TV. Is it really worth it? Over the next few days, everyone's mood darkens, and Billy's particularly worried about Phil. I could tell that Phil was a little bit more depressed or unhappy. Phil is a changed man. Once the guy who would race around the house with a power tool, fixing everything in sight, running the kids to football, keeping everything on schedule. Now he's quiet, gaunt, and unwell. His asthma has been getting worse after inhaling so much smoke when their boat caught fire, and his health is deteriorating, along with his spirits.

He had great breathing problems. He was wheezing a lot more. He was pretty fragile mentally and physically. He became even more paranoid, and he wasn't sleeping. Phil's life in paradise is now punctuated by regular trips to Bluefield's hospital on the mainland. He's had enough of island life. The two-hour boat rides, the lack of food or medicine, the isolation, what once felt like freedom, now feels like captivity. The kidnapping had already brought home to him how much he didn't like it there. I think there was a part of Phil that was slightly broken. This really was the last straw. It's not just Phil who's feeling broken. The kids wanted to go home. Everyone seemed stunned, I think, about what had happened because it seemed straight out of some terrible film. But, and you know what I'm going to say, Jane still has no intention of leaving, and she's certainly not leaving to return to miserable England. She seems crushed that everyone else is abandoning the dream she's been fighting for. I chose to come on the island. I'd love the island. I know what I want, unlike some people. When I get it, I don't not want it anymore.

I still want it, and I'll continue to want it and enjoy it. Regardless of the fact that all your family, the people that are the same inhabitants of this island, would rather be somewhere else. Well, no, that's It's a problem. It is a problem. On that, we can all agree. Phil has been canvassing the children, drafting a list of the benefits they're missing out on at home in England: TV, friends, even school. Every week, I ask them, who wants to be here? Who'd rather have civilisation? I pick on the individual little things that each person would like, and then we have a vote. And when you have that vote, Jane loses every time. Phil is nothing, if not democratic, even if co-opting the kids to outvote mom is perhaps not the greatest way to achieve consensus. Eventually, the Gaskins reach an agreement. They're not going back to the UK, but they will start looking for another tropical home. Surprisingly, not from the same website as the first time. Now, they just have to decide on where. Jane would like somewhere similar, just safer, which to me It seems like a good upgrade. Phil seems keen to be somewhere a little busier, somewhere he can build a business, with schools for the kids, a hospital, maybe even a pub.

Jane thumbs through a guidebook for inspiration. It was pre-Instagram, guys. Would you think there's anybody in the Seychelles that would swap a small place for an island? Phil would like it better because they've got supermarkets and proper hospital and rich people spending their money. I would like it better in the Seychelles. No, I'd like it better in the Canary Islands. And so would the boys as they grow up. Well, there's tourists coming, they couldn't go wrong, could they? I can see the timeshare advert now. Would like to swap a four-bed condo in the Seychelles for a tropical island in Nicaragua. Comes complete with millions of sandflies, a local land dispute, and visiting cocaine traffickers. The details will need ironing out, but it sounds like there's finally a sense of hope in the air, a future together as a family that might make sense of the Janique experience. As the first step on a journey to the perfect final destination. But for Phil, the journey's end is coming much sooner than expected. I'm Afua Hirsch. I'm Peter Frankerpan. In our podcast, Legacy. We explore the lives of some of the biggest characters in history. This season, we delve into the life of Alan Turing.

Why are we talking about Alan Turing, Peter? Alan Turing is the father of computer science, and some of those questions we're thinking about today around artificial intelligence. Turing was so involved in setting and framing what some of those questions were, but he's also interesting for lots of other reasons, Afro. He had such a fascinating life. He was unapologetically gay at a time when that was completely criminalized rationalized and stigmatized. From his imagination, he created ideas that have formed the very physical, practical foundation of all of the technology on which our lives depend. On top of that, he's responsible for being part of a team that saved millions, maybe even tens of millions of lives because of his work during the Second World War, using maths and computer science to code break. Join us on Legacy wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Alice Labine. And I'm Matt Ford. And we're the presenters of British Scandal. And in our latest series, Hitler's Angel, we tell the story of scandalous beauty, Diana Moseley, British aristocrat, Mitford Sister, and fascist sympathizer. Like so many great British stories, it starts at a lavish garden party. Diana meets the dashing fascist, Oswald Moseley.

She's captivated by his politics, but also by his very good looks. It's not a classic rom-com story, but when she falls in love with Moseley, she's on a collision course with her family, her friends, and her whole country. There is some romance, though. The couple tied the knot in a ceremony organized by a great uncelebrated wedding planner, Adolf Hitler. So it's less Notting Hill, more Nuremberg. When Britain took on the Nazis, Diana had to choose between love or betray. This is the story of Diana Moseley on her journey from glamorous socialite to political prisoner. Listen to British Scandal on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. It's a balmy evening in Bluefields. Maria is having a quiet night in with her now husband, Frank. They're in their bright yellow house on the hill, enjoying the a breeze that's blowing in from the balcony doors. The spare apartment downstairs, the one they sometimes rent out, is empty at the moment, so she and Frank are planning to enjoy a relaxing evening to themselves. Maria hears Frank answer the front door before returning to the balcony with a man she's not seen before. The visitor is pretty well dressed, early 40s, a notebook in his hand.

Maria Maria has seen plenty of journalists in her time, so she can spot one a mile off. Maria is often asked to comment on stories in the local paper, but this is different. He's from one of the big national newspapers based in the capital, Monagua, 150 miles away. Maria knows straight away what it's about, the Gascins. First, the sail of the islands made national press. Now everyone's talking about the kidnapping. Everyone wants to know what's happening on the Pearl Quays, including this journalist, it seems. Then he asks Maria a question she didn't see coming. Did she help organize the kidnapping of the Gaskin family? And was it connected to the land dispute? I said, No, we have nothing to do with it. It has nothing to do with the people of Pearl Lagoon or me. Okay, whoa. That was not an avenue I'd even considered exploring. Maria as kingpin in the local Mafia kidnapping. Maria is also baffled at this line of questioning, but it doesn't take her long to discover the source of this outlandish story. He was like, Well, I'm here because Peter Martínez paid all the expenses, and he went to the newspaper and asked us to come to do this report.

Peter Martinez. Always turning up in this story. Fingers in pies. We're just never too far away from him, are we? So So let me just get this straight. He's Mr. Fix it for the Pearl Keyes, the guy who knows everyone. He's a lawyer by trade, and now it seems a news commissioner and an amateur sleuth. Truly a man of many talents. But Maria doesn't have time to explain to the journalist in her living room how ridiculous this whole story is becoming. Instead, she offers him her view on what's really been going on in the land dispute. After he leaves, Maria can't stop her mind reeling about Martínez. This is a man she thought she knew well, a fellow lawyer, someone she used to respect when they first met. He had prestige. I always thought he was smart and he would have a good career. She knows about his role in trading the Pearl Key Islands. Martínez has never hidden his relationship with the man behind tropicalislands. Com, Peter Soccos. In fact, he's happy to show off about it, on the record, when a film crew visit him in his downtown office. I'm proud to say Peter Chocos am going to purchase any property where I haven't given him my whole key.

So any property that he had purchased, Atlantic Coast, I can say I'm responsible for that project. That's pretty unambiguous. Martínez says he's personally responsible for all the Pearl keys that have been sold. But Maria has been starting to question why he stayed so involved involved in the islands and the lives of the New Islanders long after the sales were completed. Something just doesn't feel right. It is not normal that the same lawyer who sells you the property will represent you now in everything you do. And not only things related to property, but your personal matters. I mean, it was so weird. It's beginning to feel like very little happens on the islands without Peter Martínez being involved. He's even been the go-to guy for producer Billy and the TV crew filming the Gaskins for channel 4. Every time we went to Bluefields to pick up food and do stuff, we'd always pop in and usually see Martínez. Anything that Jane and Phil wanted on the island, he would fix. Fine. Maybe he's just a very well-connected guy with a keen sense of civic duty. He was slick and he was charming. He was always really smartly dressed dressed.

If you walked down the street with him, people would come up and shake his hand and smile and joke with him. You certainly got the impression that he was a big player in Bluefield. Slick, charming, well-dressed. As Billy says, a big player, and one who should have been on the same side as them, according to Maria's son, Álvaro. I thought it was a shame because he was a Creole from the Caribbean Coast, and the people who were getting disenfranchised were other Creoles from the Caribbean Coast. In fact, Jerry, the Creole community leader, knew Martínez. They used to get on well. Martínez was a good lawyer. He did a case for me. We were friends. It's hard to have a confrontation with someone you've been dealing with, a friend. But I had to defend the people's right and defend the land he was trying to take away. We decided to confront him and treat him like a stranger. Our friendship was on hold. He We became an enemy, and we wanted to win the fight against him. With so many connections about town, Maria and Álvaro know that Peter Martínez will be a tough adversary. If they plan to take him on, they'd better be prepared.

Over the next few months, Maria and the indigenous communities work tirelessly to try and raise publicity for the Pearl Keyes case, and they're succeeding. More headlines are hitting the local and national US. The sale of the keys could be a scam. The legal adviser of the residence of Pearl Lagoon, Maria Acosta, did not rule out the possibility that Peter Socos has defrauded citizens of different nationalities by selling them four keys. Some articles even name Phil and Jane. One island, Lime Key, was sold to an English couple, the Gaskins. The Gaskins have cut off the island from the indigenous inhabitants of the area, disrupted the environment of the island, and most especially, the habitat of the Hawk's Bill turtle. The dispute over the Pearl Keyes is escalating fast. Maria's name and her organization are quoted regularly in the papers. And she's becoming a key figure in the fight to reclaim the islands. There's some people that hate me, some people that admire my work. Maria is at the center of a row that's turning hostile. It was very tense. I could feel it. After a particularly long and tiring day at work, Maria returns home to try and relax.

She sits down in front of the telly with Frank to watch a film her son, Álvaro, has recommended. But you know that feeling of turning on the wrong film at the wrong time. She needed a rom-com, maybe a Pixar adventure. Instead, she gets a somber documentary about a Brazilian activist called Chico Mendes. He was murdered in 1988 for trying to help a local community win back land that had been sold to a rancher. Maria and Frank watch in silence as the story unfolds. A small land dispute escalates into death threats and eventually, murder. In the '80s, the Mendes story had stirred outrage in newspaper headlines and TV bulletins. The victim was devoted to preserving Brazil's irreplaceable rainforest, and he paid for that, with his life. Francisco Chico Mendes was an environmental leader little known outside of the Brazilian Amazon. But his assassination by local cattle ranchers had international repercussions. The news of his murder had sent shockwaves around the world. As Maria watches the documentary about his life, she can't help worrying about what she's letting herself into. Is Alvaro trying to warn her? Later on, as she's sitting on the balcony with Frank, she tells him that for the first time in her career, she's frightened, scared about where her work might lead them.

I asked him, What happened if they kill us? And he just looked at me and he said, Maria, we are in God's hands. To be honest, I thought, What a big help. Now when I see back and I realized that we were in God's hands. Now Maria looks at that night as a turning point, a warning about what lay ahead. On a cold and dreery night in January 2002, millions of British families are flipping over to channel 4 for an hour of sun-drenched escapism. Last week's episode of No Going Back had featured a middle-class couple sauntering off to Spain to grow some olives. This couple are about to live out their dream. They're swapping the urban 9:00 to 5:00 for an idyllic Spanish farm. Sure, sounds like a nice relaxing watch. But with all due respect to the producers, I think it's fair to say the Cliffhangers were not exactly up to soap opera standards. They're off in search of the good life with their two small children, harvesting their own almond, picking olives, growing grapes, and making drinking wine. But they won't have a regular income. They've never farmed before, and they don't speak the language.

Episode one goes roughly like this. Will an early frost ruin the crop? No. Will the locals turn their noses up when they sample their olive oil at the village fair? Yes, the stakes basically could not be lower. So as episode two begins, viewers aren't ready for what's about to unfold. A couple called Jane and Phil are moving to a beautiful remote island in Nicaragua. One year ago, this Hampshire family left Britain in search of paradise. They bought their own Palm fringe desert island off Nicaragua's Mosquita Eto Coast. As the program starts, TV researcher James is watching nervously at home with his friends. He hasn't seen the final version of the episode yet, so he's wondering how the audience will react. I don't think anyone it coming. And how could they? Protesters turning up on the island, Phil calling them racist, Teodoro getting sacked, Jane admitting on camera that they'd slept together, Phil rather calmly, recounting their kidnapping to the local magistrate. First of all, I recognized his voice, and the children also recognized his voice. When we were sitting in the panga, they were going, It's Teodora. Then his daring escape, which frankly still shocks me, let alone the unsuspecting British public.

I picked up the gas which was in a two-gallon can, and I was throwing it over the man. I just picked up the match, struck them, and lit them. I was still pushing the gas out of the camp, and my hand was catching a light. I did it for as long as I could. I dropped back in the water to put my hand out. Over the past year, James had been watching all the footage as it came back, documenting the family's ups and downs, the triumphs and the tragedies. So he knew what was coming. But as the episode finally airs, nothing had quite prepared him for the fallout. It was like a bomb going off. It caused an absolute explosion of viewers. Hundreds of people contact channel 4 to voice their opinions, and almost all their opinions are about one thing, Jane Gaskin. They gave us this medieval scroll of complaints, and it was absolute outrage at Jane. She became public enemy number one really quickly for being a bad mother, seeming to be a bad wife as well. I think just generally, she became labeled as evil. Tv critiques and tabloid journalists follow suit with observations which run the gamut from moralistic to shamefully sexist and grossly objectifying.

A real full house. We last see Jane perched on her island shore like a black widow spider, flaming red hair, impertinent bosom, and determined little thighs on display, touting for a new mate to share her idea of paradise. Another writer describes Jane shockingly as a more or less madwoman, or at the very least, a manipulative and wildly selfish middle-aged minks. It felt like the TV critics and the nation and the tabloids were looking for their next public enemy number one, and Jane just fitted the bill perfectly because of the way she looked and the way she behaved and what she said and what she was prepared to do. Jane ticked every box for a tabloid takedown. She was a woman who was not ashamed of her body, who was sexual, and who was outspoken. And the icing on the cake. She did all this while being, how dare she, a mother. She simply had to be brought down a peg or two. And the names they call her? Which is about as as I can come in a family newspaper to calling her what I really want to call her. Okay, okay. But credit to them, at least they didn't invoke a full-on medieval trap.

Oh, no, sorry. There it is. Several hundred years ago, women like Jane Gaskin would have been burnt at the stake. And so the way they did that was in the public domain. They violated her. They character assassinated her, and she had no way of answering. There wasn't social media, there wasn't Twitter, there wasn't Instagram. She couldn't answer back. And so in a way, it felt like an easy target. And it wasn't just the papers that targeted her. In online forums, the British public blamed Jane for everything that went wrong on the island. The local protest, Jane's fault. The kidnapping, Jane's fault, too. No matter who had sold her the island or taken them hostage or put Phil in hospital. Producer Billy was pretty taken aback by the vitriol. One part of me could understand the reaction, but another part of me was really deeply and thought it quite unfair. Spending time with her on the island, Billy had seen a very different side of Jane, a side that clearly didn't reveal itself to viewers. I think people perceived Jane as being a bad mother, which she certainly wasn't. She'd obviously made her decisions and her choices, but she loved the kids, and she was really close to them.

As the episode draws to a close, Phil and Jane have decided to move on from Janique to find a new home, which sounds like a pretty wise decision to me. After days of arguments and family votes, a compromise is reached. Jane and Phil will sell. Phil gets to leave the island. They've decided to look for paradise somewhere safer and to start again. But viewers couldn't have prepared for what they were about to hear at the end of the show. Over the next few days, Phil's asthma attacks get much worse and his health deteriorates. They decide to leave the island to be near to a hospital on the mainland. As haunting music starts to play, the screen turns black and white text reveals. Four weeks later, Phil died from a massive asthma attack. Just as the Gaskins had taken the decision to leave the island and find a new home, Phil's health had taken a turn. After contracting a chest infection, he was admitted to hospital. Where he collapsed and was transferred into intensive care to recuperate. They'd gone to the mainland, back to Bluefields to get hospital help. But on December the third, 2001, just a year after they left the UK, Phil collapsed once again, this time in front of Jane and the children in a serious asthma attack.

And then the next thing I knew, he passed away. Phil is gone, and paradise feels further away than ever. Next time on The Price of Paradise, Jane is not the only one whose life is about to be turned upside down. I didn't know what my life was going to be like after all this. My mind couldn't process it. I couldn't believe it. That level of shock is just horrible. At that moment, I felt I went into to a deep black hole. Follow the Price of Paradise on the WNDYR app, Amazon Music, or wherever you get your podcasts. You can binge all episodes early and ad-free right now by joining WNDRI Plus in the WNDRI app or on Apple podcasts. Before you go, tell us about yourself by filling out a short survey at wundri. Com/survey. From WNDRI, this is episode 4 of 7 of The Price of Paradise. A note about this podcast. Not everything was captured on film at the time, so we can't always know exactly what was said in every moment. In places, our script is based on the testimony of our interviewees and all other sources available to us. The Price of Paradise is produced by Forest Sounds and is hosted with additional writing by me, Alice Levine.

For Forest Sounds, our producers are Ella Cattle and Aaron Keller. The Assistant Producer is Valeria Rocca. The Managing Producer is Anne Fitzgerald. The Production Coordinator is Nina Abdullah. The researcher is Tom Cass. Executive producers are Pete Sayle and Jeremy Lee. For WNDYRI, our producer is Theodora Leloudis. Our managing producer is Rachel Sibley. Our consulting producer is Brian Taylor-White. The production assistant is Imogen Marshall. Music composition by Ian Chambers. Sound design by Joe Richardson and Ian Chambers. Our sound supervisor is Marcelino Villalpando. The Music Supervisor is Scott Velasquez for Frissons Inc. Archive material from No Going Back, courtesy of Ricochet and channel 4. The Lasting Legacy of a fighter for the Amazon is courtesy of the New York Times, and The Living Documents is courtesy of Mallory Soma. Executive producers for WNDYRI are Michelle Martin, Jessica Radburn, Marshall Louis, and Jenn Sargent. Wndyri.