What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper with Call Her Daddy. Maria Georges. Welcome to Call Her Daddy.

I am so excited to be here. I love you so much.

Okay, I love you. I love you. I'm so excited. I can't believe we're finally doing this. First of all, this has been a long time coming, which we will tell the Daddy Gang all about. But the entire world fell in love with you when went on the season of The Bachelor. And ever since it ended, I feel like everyone has quite literally just been waiting patiently for you to speak, and you are finally here.

Yes. So I definitely needed the time to just be on my own. But if I was going to speak, I was going to speak here with you today on Call Her Daddy. And it was a long time coming, but I'm here now, and I'm ready.

Okay. I have so many questions, so let's just get into it. Okay.

Before you continue, this is really tight, and I want to slip into something a little bit more comfortable.

Okay. Oh, my God. See you. Okay. She's got her little unwell outfit on.

Oh, I'm feeling so myself right now. You have no idea. Wait, really? Oh, my God. This is me to my core.

Okay, but every single outfit you slayed this season. For anyone that didn't watch this season, Maria on the Bachelor, I don't know if I've I've never seen someone come with such good outfits, and I feel like I saw that all online. How did you even pack for this fucking season?

Oh, my God. It was so last minute. You guys have no idea. So I always wanted to be on the show. I had dreams about I was like, I'm going to be on the show one day. So I remember I would always buy things in hopes. Stop. I swear to God. I'm not even kidding. And so when I actually got, I was fully in the running. They're like, Okay, you're in it. But I was never getting a solid yes. I was like, waiting, waiting, waiting. Three days prior, they're like, pack your bags. You're coming. You need this. This isn't this. I'm like, holy shit. I had three days to pack.

Why did you always want to be on The Bachelor?

I love the show. I love the show. I was such a huge fan, and I had friends on the show, and they had- You did? Yeah. Wait, I feel like that's D. I don't know how much I want to say. I feel like there's been... People have talked about it, and I'm sure people know who, But yeah, I've had people that have been on the show that have always said, I see you on it. And so I was like, I'm going to apply.

So are you intinuating you've romantically dabbled with people on the show?

I I wouldn't say romantic, but obviously there was... I don't know what you want to call it, whatever you want to call it. It was just a good thing going. And I just remember talking to him about it, and he was like, I can totally see You know what he said to me, actually?

Should I be asking you who you're talking about?

No, you shouldn't. Do you want me to say it?

I think I have to ask.

Well, I think it's been fairly obvious, and honestly, I'm so over the rumors and stuff like that. So nick, obvious. Oh, fuck. But this is bad because he's totally married.

No, I think it's not you're saying you're in love with this person. Yeah.

Nothing has ever happened between nick and I, but it's always been a friendship. Okay.

No, I think this is fine to say. Nick is one You were the biggest people from the franchise. And the fact that you had a little thing with him back in the day, but you never hooked up. No. You just had a flirtatious banter.

Literally, that is all. He helped me through breakups. He was a good friend to me at points, and it was great. But I remember, and I never really understood it until actually being on the show, he had said to me, he's like, I can see you being the villain. He's like, You're going to go on. You're going to be the villain. And I was like, Why? Why me? I would never go with the intention of becoming a villain. I didn't go in there, try to piss people off. But I remember him saying, he's like, People are going to come after you. No matter what, I can just see it. You're going to be the villain. And it was just funny because after I finished filming, there was rumors about me being a villain. I'm like, but I wasn't. I know what happened.

Well, I feel like, just to sum it up again for anyone that didn't watch, I feel like people tried really, really, really, really, really No, she's not the villain, actually. These girls that are basically gaslighting Maria are the villain. Okay, let's go back to the beginning. I love how we're just dropping bombs left and right. Yeah, please. But I think it's fine to say the nick Vial thing. I think he's happily married now. Yeah, he is.

And that's great. Everyone has a past. And I just want everyone to know that there's no animosity between us. I think we have always been friends, obviously, whatever. But he's always been great to me. And I respect his relationship. I respect where he is now. I'm happy to see him grow. But to say that we didn't have a past, that would be a lie. So I just hate this. It's been all over Reddit. I just wanted people to know that it's nothing serious. But also we respected each other along the way, and I'm happy where he's at now. And I congratulate him.

Well, I was going to say, I also think the Internet is too smart nowadays where it's like, if you were connected to anyone in Bachelor Nation, as they say- Oh, there's no secret. Exactly. So I think it'd be like, you'd be remiss to not I'm not going to not bring it up because then everyone be like, you're a liar.

Right. And I have nothing to hide. I go through life where I feel like, you want to ask me questions? I want to answer. I can tell. No, really? Can you tell? I can tell. Yeah. So I'm like, you know what? At the end of the day, I'm like, I rather speak on it than people build or create stories out of nothing. There's nothing to talk about there. Amazing.

So let's talk about your season. You are one of the most popular, I would say, bachelor contest in the history of ever. And you just brought this energy to it, this relatability. You were normal. I think people could see themselves being friends with you. You're a girls girl. It was great vibes. How did you feel about all this attention?

Oh, my God. First of all, thank you for saying that. That meant a lot because I was actually talking about this with my friends. When I had first come back home, I had to sit my family down to let them know what shit, stupidity I went through in the house. I did not know how it was going to play out and how people were going to perceive me because in the house, I felt like I was so wrongfully accused of things, and people were just taking me the wrong way. And so I didn't know how things were going to play out. The fact that it was an honest edit, I can say, and showed exactly who I am. And I said to myself, I'm like, If I'm going to do this, I'm going to do this exactly who I am. I'm not going on there with some alter ego. No, no, no. When my friends and family are going to watch, they're going to be like, That's my Maria.

Prior to this show, were you someone who was used to a lot of drama in your life?

And I talked about this on the show to Joey. I was like, The last thing I thought I was going to have problems with were the girls. I thought I was going to be like them. I thought the only problem I would have is if I like him or not, or if we can really see each other becoming something. And so when that was my biggest concern in the house, I was like, oh, my God. Maybe that guy was right. Maybe It's like in wait. Okay, you want to hear something? I actually have something to say. Yes. This is actually fucked up. Okay. So Sydney. You know Sydney? No. In the house?

Oh, the one that was the minute to you. Yes.

So funny enough... No, actually, side note, I don't know if you want to keep this in, but this actually concerned me at one point. So when it first started airing, I remember someone sent me a photo of nick and Sydney together. They were all friends because Sydney's friends with Ashley, I, and Nick's close with Ashley, and Ashley's close with Sydney, and they were all in a photo together. I'm like, Was this all planned? No, I'm not kidding. Besides all this right now, I'm straight shooter to you right now. Part of me was like, Was this all planned? Because I was like, I knew I was innocent. I knew I was innocent, hand to God. So when this all started happening, and then imagine dealing with that in the house, and then coming out and seeing that she's friends with nick, I was like, there's something- Because nick had told you, you There's something conspiring here.

Okay, so you walk someone through that maybe didn't watch the show. You're basically saying you're seeing nick Vial tell you you're going to potentially be the villain. Yes. Then you're seeing nick Vial be friends with the girl that attacked you the whole season.

Okay, keep this shit in because you know what? I'm not kidding. This is my exact thought process. I was like, there's something weird about all this because it was too close to home. I was like, this was said, and now this and this. Guys, if there was a moment in the house where I can say, okay, I deserve that. I would say I would not even begin to think about this. But I was so innocent.

To someone that has no idea what the fuck we're talking about and has not watched the season of The Bachelor. You have these two specific women, I would say. Three. Three. Okay. Three women that were like, hell-bent on crucifying you. Oh, yeah. Can you give a brief synopsis of what they were trying to basically kill you for. Yeah.

So there's a point in time where we see Medina. She was one of the older girls. I don't even like to say older. Here we go, the age thing. But she had mentioned that she felt insecure about her age, and that she was losing time, and she thought it was... Joey maybe might have not been giving her enough attention because of her age. And I stayed silent during that conversation. She addressed the room about it. And then... Why did I say and then? And then? I don't know. So then we were outside, and we had breaks throughout the day, but we're always being recorded, and I knew that. So despite having a break, I know we're being recorded. But again, I was in the moment with my friend, and we We're going through what was said or during that moment, we were just like, what's the word?

We're just recapping.

Recapping, thank you very much, that moment. And all I said to her was like, I don't get why Modina would say that, because I'm in her age group. And I'm just saying she's a beautiful woman, literally so beautiful, where I was like, I couldn't even fathom the idea that she was thinking that it had something to do with her age, why Joey's not giving her attention. I'm like, You're so beautiful. Own it. You have so much going for you. You And age is the last thing you should worry about. But I wasn't saying that to Medina. I was saying that to my friend as we were recapping the night. And that's why I was like, I want to preface by saying, if Medina had come to me and said to me, Maria, I feel insecure of my age. I know you're one of the older girls in the house, too. This is how I feel. I would never say, own it. You're hot. I would be like, no, let's talk about it. This is how you feel. I'm here for you. So obviously, I was saying what I was saying to my friend behind closed doors, and I was being overheard by Sydney.

And And instead of, A, coming up to me to be like, hey, are you talking about Medina? Because she's my girl. Instead of either coming up to me or talking to me one on one to be like, hey, I might have heard this, but I don't know. She started this in higher thing on something she might have heard.

So that's where it all started, though. And I think what we can acknowledge for women is age is such a sensitive thing just because everyone makes us feel like when you hit 30, it's like, the clock is ticking. And So I empathize with what she was saying. And then I also agree with what you were saying of like, oh, my God, girl, don't even fucking worry. You're hot, you're beautiful, you're young. Like, 30 is young. Yeah. 31 is young. 40 is young. We have to retrain our brains to look at women and age in a complete different way. But I think on the show, it brought up a really interesting conversation that you were almost villainized for shitting on this woman for her age, and that was not what you were saying.

Absolutely. Everything you said was So you're right. And for me, I'm like, I can get insecure about my age, too, 100 %. And I have felt insecure about it. But going into the Bachelor, knowing that sometimes they cast 23-year-olds and stuff like that, I knew going into it where I was like, I probably am going to be the oldest one in the house. So I was trying to think positively so that I didn't get into that mindset. So I thought in ways, when I was talking to my friend about it, I was trying to encourage myself, too, because hearing her talk I'm not sure about that, you don't think that struck a chord with me? I was like, fuck, maybe because I am a year older than him, maybe that is weird. I don't know. I started thinking, I was like, No, we're going to twist it. No, we're hot. We're confident. Let's just do this. Got it. And I was just having a talk with my girlfriend. I didn't think It was going to become a thing. I wasn't trying to do this in front of a room. I would have been way more sensitive, way more like...

You were almost debriefing something that clearly related to... Because how old is she?

She's 31.

Okay, she's 31. And how old are you? 29. Okay, I'm 29. Same age. So I get what you're saying is you guys are the oldest in the house, and you immediately saw her freaking out and getting insecure that you were like, Oh, my God. Should I be insecure? No, we're fucking beautiful. Let's go.

Let's just turn this into a positive right now because it's In the house, you're so isolated, and I can see why she was feeling those things. But I wanted to... Because imagine if I just sat there and was like, Yeah, we are. We should just peace out right now as old fucks. Let's just get the fuck out of here. We'll just mail But I was trying to just... And again, if she had come to me personally, the conversation would have been different. It was just in the moment with my friend. I was just like, Yeah.

And so this begins this feud between you and this girl, Sydney, where she has it out for you. She's literally saying you're the devil.

Oh, yeah. It's funny. I brought devil ears because I knew we were going to be filming during Halloween, and I wore the devil ears for a week straight. They cut that out, so maybe don't talk about that. But I loved it. Because they told me, they're Yeah, she sees you as a devil. I'm like... Amazing. And in parts, I was like, Wait, but what? I was questioning myself.

Why do you think this girl had it out for you? You said you barely got into drama your whole life with women. Your biggest concern was, Am I going to even like Joey? Will I even get along with him? What do you think, if you had to pinpoint it, brought it on this season? Yeah.

Because now getting to know her outside of this, she's an amazing woman. And I honestly can say that in And in that moment, she really, truly thought she was going to bat for her friend. And again, it's so weird to say these girls become our best friends. But when you're in that environment, you become very close to people, and that's how it feels, right? So I truly think that she was feeling she was going to bat for her friend. She was that ride or die friend. She wasn't going to let anything slide with the best intentions, just wrongly guided. I don't really know why, because I Guys, when I tell you, she had apologized to me there and then when I was like, Listen, you overheard something. You took it out of context. It wasn't meant maliciously. Next time, come to me. She's like, Absolutely. We cheers. The next day, we had that group date where we were doing the talent show, and she hugged me before the group date. And she was like, Maria, I just want to say, again, I'm sorry for taking something out of context. It wasn't shown. We never even got to talk about this.

And so I thought, I was like, wow. Okay, you know what? And I said to her that day, I I go, Listen, I'm good to hug it out, and we're good, but just you scare me a little bit because we were so good up until the point where you're starting shit with me, where I'm like, Where is this coming from? So we hugged it out. We were good. Later on that night is when she was like, I feel bullied by you. You hugged me earlier that day. It was like, guys, when I say it was crazy, it was crazy. But again, because I know she is a good person deep down, I think that, again, in this environment, it just brought out the worst.

Well, because I was going to say, I didn't know you guys were close now, which is- We're not close, but we're good. You're good? Yeah. Okay. Because I was going to say, I thought I didn't know if you guys were friends. And I'm like, that's crazy to go from someone being like, you're bullying me. What we watched on TV, I was like, this girl is losing her mind on national TV. And it's like, everywhere you would go, she would turn to you and just start going after you. And it felt very targeted.

Yeah, it got to So there were moments where she would acknowledge that I can't even be in a room with Maria because I feel she's going to attack me. And there's been so many scenes of us in a room, and I'm like, Leave me alone. What? So I didn't understand. And to this day, her and I didn't get to really talk about what exactly it was that made her say those things about me, because even thinking about putting myself in her head, I could never say that about someone if I knew that it was so untrue.

Well, I think it was interesting, too. And I liked reading the internet during your season because I thought that women had really interesting takes about you. I remember watching, and so many women were like, I feel like half of these girls in the house are having their first buy experience because everyone is falling in love with Maria. And everyone's like, Do I like her more than Joey? I think there was also a lot of jealousy. You exude confidence. You walked in every room. You looked so fucking hot. You looked insane in your outfits. You have a great personality, and you just led with confidence. And I think in those environments, I can imagine if women are seeing one woman lead with just no doubts or fears, you're going to be like, fuck you. I wish I was like that. And I personally felt like a lot of it was driven by jealousy, which sucks, but I think is sadly relatable. If you could go back, is there anything you would have handled differently in all the drama?

Well, I just want to say something first. So before going into the house, I had read something, and it was some book, and it was called You're Just Not That. What it was? It was like, You're Not That Great, or something like that. And then just like, no, no, no, but wait. What a great book. No, no, but you know what? The meaning behind it meant something to me, and it was just acknowledging the fact that you're not that great. And I never... No, wait, just wait. I don't ever think of myself as... When you say it's weird to me even believing when someone's like, Oh, someone's jealous of you. I don't look at things like that. I went into this bachelor world being I'm not going to be the prettiest girl in the room. I'm not going to be the best dressed. I'm not going to be the most exciting to look at or be with. I just said, I'm going to be myself, and if it works, it works. I was so self-aware going into it. So it's funny that people see it as confidence, and people see it as like, Oh, girls are jealous of you.

It's like, I genuinely went in there being like, I'm going to be supportive of everyone around, but I'm also not going to think I'm that great.

I now love this. Now I love this message. At first, I was like, Where are we going with it? No, sorry. I fucking suck. I'm a piece of shit. No, no.

But just acknowledging that just knowing who you are, I'm not overly confident in that way where I'm like, I'm the shit. I've never thought that way about myself. I thought all the women, especially night one, going into that house, I was like, there are so many beautiful women around me that I was like, I'm just going to be myself, have fun. And then if it works, it works. And it did. So when girls came after me and being like, oh, people are seeing it as like, oh, you were so confident. That's why. I'm like, oh, my God. I was like, I never once I think I was the prettiest in the room. Never once I think I was the best dressed. That's why after it air and hearing that everyone loved my outfits and everyone thought I was so comfortable, I was like, I am.

I love everything you just said, and I truly believe, though, that's where it is confidence what you're talking about. And I think it's enviable. And I think if anyone takes anything from this episode, it's that. It's like you He's deciding. I can't be what I'm not. I'm going to be myself. Exactly. I'm me. I look how I look. I act how I act, and I'm going to present as I am. And if he likes it and they like it, great. If not, who gives a fuck? First, I do want to talk a little bit about your personal life, because I think You came into this bachelor world, and everyone was like, who is this fire cracker? Who is this girl? And where did she came from? Who is Maria? Have you ever been in love before?

I had a couple of boyfriends. I'm going to say two. Two boyfriends. I'm going to tell you exactly the number. Yeah, I don't have that much experience. When I'm with someone, I feel loving feelings. But when you're out of it, you think back and you're like, Wait, was I even in love? I don't know. I don't think so because I want to believe when I am, I know it's going to be my person thing. I had loving feelings for everyone that I've ever been with. Yeah.

I think that makes That makes a lot of sense. I think that answers it. I think you would know if you had been in love. Right? You would think. You would know. Trust me. That's what I'm thinking. You would know. Okay. What has been your longest relationship?

Oh, bitch. You're going to call me right out. Literally, my first boyfriend was eight months, but I lived with him for three, so it felt like a fucking century. What? Okay, maybe no. I don't know. You're dead. Okay, listen, I have never had anything long term. I'm No problem.

No, no.

I'm the problem.

Wait, you lived with him for three months? Yeah. Towards the end of the eight months? And then is that what ended it?

The beginning. Wait, hold on. Wait, wait.

Hold on, hold on.

It's been so long. It was seven years ago, bitch.

You dated a guy for eight months. You lived with him for three. But how did you start living together then stay together but not live together? Walk me through this.

Okay, hold on. Okay. Let me think. It was so long ago, guys. It was seven years ago. We dated and hit it off right away. And he was living alone. I was living with my family. And he was like, I want to be with you all the time, so come sleep in my house. And then it turned into me, ended up moving, ending up moving in with him. Does that make sense?

And then how did you move out?

He cheated on me. Bitch, what do you think? He fucking cheated on me.

Wait, but make this make sense. Okay. Eight months dating. First three months you're living together. He then cheats. You stay? No. No.

No. No. No I'm like, next up.

You said you lived together in the first three months.

Okay, wait, maybe I'm confused. Hold on, wait. The math is not math. Let me backtrack.

Eight months together.

Eight months together living with him. Okay, so I didn't live with him right away. You're right. You caught me. I lied.

I know more about your life than you know about this. Okay, so he cheats. How did you find out he cheated? Oh, bitch. No. Tell me everything.

Oh my God. I'm a Virgo. Do you know what Virgos are like? No, tell me more. I'm an FBI agent. Oh. Like, without being an FBI agent. I'm not a FBI agent. So basically, because I was living with him, right? At the time. Anyways, so he was in New York with his family. I'll never forget this. This is actually fucked up. But it's okay. You know what? Him and I, we laugh about this because he found... He was like, I hope you know I knew what you did the entire time. We talked about it. Listen, it's better to just laugh it off now, but it wasn't a laughing moment at the time. But we can laugh about it now. Anyway, so he was in New York with his dad, and then he was like, Yeah, so I was staying at his place. I'm stupid. Anyways, so I have all my friends over, and I remember I was in LA and then Vegas for a wedding. I did a week trip, and he was so... Oh, my God. Nick plays into this because he hated nick, and nick hated I texted him. Fuck that guy, though, now, because he cheated on me.

But it's fine. Okay, let me get back on track. Hold on. Okay. So I had gone on that trip, and he was already questioning me being on that trip, being like, You're going there to see him, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, Bitch, I'm going to a fucking wedding. What is your issue? And we're spending a couple more nights in LA after. After Vegas. I lied. We went to Vegas first, and then we did the wedding in LA. Okay. There it is. Come on, seven years. I haven't talked about this shit ever. It's great. And so he was already upset with the whole trip. I get back. We're good. He goes to New York. I stay at his place, and I invite my friends over. I had this weird feeling because the last couple of nights in LA, he was quiet. He wasn't really speaking He's just talking to me. I'm like, Bitch, you're my boyfriend. Where the fuck? Anyways, no, not like that. I'm very sweet.

But I get what you're saying. When a boyfriend is quiet- You know, what the...

You're checking in on me, and then all of a sudden, you're quiet for the next couple of days. What's going on?

What the hell is going on?

So I remember being like, Okay, so I kept that in my notes. I was like, Okay, so this time, this time, he was weird. Skech. So I get to his place. I'm saying he leaves. I go to the front desk. This is actually smart. Girls, pay attention. So I go to the front desk. I'm like, Oh, my God. I left for my trip, but as I was waiting for my Uber or whatever I was waiting for, I don't know what I said. I'm like, I left my purse on the couch. So right outside of his place, there's a communal area, and there was a couch. And I was like, I left my purse there, and I can't find my I'm like, I need you to... I was sitting here between this time and this time. And I told him the times where I felt like he was being off. So the poor front desk man. And by the way, man, I never outed you, even though when you knew I knew what... He knew what I was doing in that moment. I'll explain. But I never outed him. Never to my ex. But now I'm outing you.

But it's okay. You're probably not even working there anymore. So I told him, I'm like, from this time to this time, this time, I remember I was sitting there, blah, blah. I don't know where this purse went. And it's like, expensive purse. I need to know where it is. So he turns the fucking screen to me, and he's going through the times. And I told him, he's a little... It's fine. I told him between, I think I said from 11:00 PM till 3:00 AM. I'm like, I don't know if you have to check to see if my purse was there and if someone took it. So he's showing me, okay? And I had my girlfriend there. I'll never forget because she fucking screwed it up. I was like, game face. I was like, Show me the fucking cameras. So I was looking for my purse. All of a sudden, guys, I kid you not, 3:20. I remember the time. It was like something 3:00 AM, 3:20. Don't say that I remember the time. That's weird, but it's fine. A fucking bitch shows up to his door. No. 3:00 AM. And then I'm going like this.

This is me. I'm like this. I keep my mouth shut. My friend goes, and then he... So now the front desk guy sees that there's another girl, I ain't me, showing up at this time. And then as soon as she fucking gasped, like outing me, he turns the camera. He's like, I can't be doing this. I'm sorry. I was I was like, No, no, no, no, no, don't worry. And he, in that moment, knew that he knew what I was trying to do. And he knew that now he outed my boyfriend for having a girl show up at his place at 3:00 AM while I was gone. But in that moment, I went, no, no fucking way. And so it gets worse. So I kept my mouth shut. You didn't say anything. No, of course not.

The poor front desk man.

No, I never outed him. Until his day. I'm so sorry, sir. But to his day, never outed him. Never outed him. I go back in. Actually, it's funny. I went for a walk. I played some music. I pretended I was in a music video, sad, cried. I don't know. I don't know what I did. I did some weird shit. But then I went back. And then so days later, he comes back. We're good. He throws a party, okay? Guys, listen to this. It gets fucked. So he throws a party. Oh, my God. Poor guy. He's probably going to watch this and be like, Listen, at the end of the day, don't cheat on your girlfriend because one day she's going to live to tell a tale. She's going to live to tell the fucking tale. So don't cheat on your girlfriend. Anyways, so he throws a party, family, friends. And And remember, I saw that bitch. I saw her. Oh, you're going to wait for the twist at the end. So I saw her. So I knew how she looked. He throws a party family and friends at his restaurant. He's selling a restaurant. Oops.

Cut that out because that'll be very obvious. Okay, let's I'm really real. I only had one fucking ex, and everyone knows. It's fine. But cut it out, maybe. I don't know. Keep it in. Do whatever you want. So he throws a party family and friends. There's a separate table of randoms that I don't know who shows up. She does. But I I keep my mouth shut. I see him go over to her, hug her, kiss her. So I go, perfect. That's my in. So he comes back. I'm like, who's that girl that you kiss on the cheek? Who's that? He's like, oh, she's just a friend. I was just saying hi. I'm like, okay, that was a little much to say hi to a friend, right? So I'm watching her, watching her. So later on that night, I was like, Fuck it. I'm done. I'm done. I'm so out. The fact that he's now bringing this girl around me.

That's the most fucked up part. Casually. And how long had you waited? How long is this between you- A week. A week. You saw the video footage, and now you're at the party.

Yeah. It wasn't long. I just didn't know how I was going to do it, but I was out at that point.

No, but that's mentally fucked to put your fucking mistress in the same room with your girl.

I actually have more tea.

Oh, my God. It just keeps flowing.

Oh, shit. So basically, because when he was showing me the cameras, I saw a bunch of guys go in first, all his friends, and then she showed up hours later at 3:00 AM. But I didn't see the friends leave. So in my head, I was like, okay, maybe this might not be what I think it is. And he's So are you thinking I'm seeing nick. There were so many things where I was like, okay, I can't overthink because if you're looking at it just based on how it looks, I want to know proof. But anyway, but cut that out. No, make him look bad. It's fine. No, no.

But I get... Okay, but- I was in my head. I was like, fuck, maybe not. You're rationalizing, which I get. I was rationalizing when I shouldn't have. You were telling him, I'm not cheating on you with nick. I'm not seeing nick. I'm literally going to a wedding. But he's like, I know you have a past with him, blah, blah, blah. Then he starts acting sketchy. And in your mind, you're like, is he making this decision And because he thinks I was being shady with nick when I wasn't? And then all of a sudden, you see her at 3:00 AM, and then your brain rationalizes, even though you goddamn know well what he was doing. Yeah, one girl showing up at 3:00 AM by herself.

Maybe she's there for the after-party.

Oh, we know what the after-party was. Right. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah, he's His Peepee. His Peepee in a fucking punani. Yeah, 100 %. Anyway, so I saw her there, and again, I didn't say anything, whatever. And then we got back to the house, and I'm like, Who's that girl? And he just kept being like, She was a friend. She's a friend. I'm like, So then why? And I laid it all out there. I was like, Why did she show up at your house at this time, this date, in a red dress? I was saying it all. And he, to this day, to this day, will say nothing ever happened. You want to hear some funny shit? Please. Because as a Virgo, we're very thorough. So I need to get to the nitty-gritty. I need to know. I was never going to get my answer from him. Okay, so I dance. I take heel classes, and I do all that. So I met a girlfriend there, and She was going out one night, and she texted me. She's like, Come meet me. I go, Who are you at with? She sends me a photo. She's with that girl. No. So I go, Perfect. Oh, just wait.

So I'm like, Perfect. I'm going to meet this girl. But again, I wasn't going to go meet her with the intentions to be confrontational. I was just going to see who this girl is. I want to look at you dead in the eyes. You know me. I don't know you. You don't know that I know you, but I know you. Anyways, we hit it off. Love her. Love her. Sweetest fucking girl ever. So nice.

That makes it so much worse. You're like, fuck.

Yeah, she was great.

And did she know you were dating him?

Well, I mean, do you have an Instagram? It was very, fairly obvious. There was no excuse on her end. But at the end of the day, I'll never blame the girl. Ever. He owed something to me.

And you never know what they say in the moment. Like, oh, we're on a break.

To this day, I am not upset with her. Oh, actually, I'm great friends with her.

Oh, but you know what I mean? I always think about when women are like, oh, my God, my husband, she did it. And fuck this woman. And I'm like, I swear to God, when a man takes off his pants and he's hard and he's staring at a woman and the woman's like, wait, don't you have a wife or don't you have a girlfriend? They're like, she just got run over by a bus. She's dead. We buried her last week. She beats me at night. Where she beats me. It's the whole thing. They will say whatever. When they look down and they look up, they're like, whatever I can do to get inside. Yeah, absolutely. So we can't believe in the women. Yeah. Okay, so you're tap dancing.

So we're friends. We become friends at night. And then to the point we're hanging out and us three hanging out. To the point where I even... Okay, this is actually psychotic.

Yeah, go ahead. It's Call Her Daddy. Nothing is that crazy.

Okay, so one night we were all out and I was a little drunk, and I'm like, I need to see if this girl is a good kisser. Only because I was like, I want to see... I'm obsessed with you. I was like, no, I want to know what the fuck She has that I don't. This all happened. So I made out with her one night. But to this day, we were totally... It was all a joke, so whatever. It's fine. I love women. I love men. I love men more. But it's fine. It's fine. I just did it for my own sanity. Again, Virgos, we're fucked.

You wanted to understand what you were missing. Right.

I wanted to know what he was dealing with. If I had anything like... I don't know. I don't know what the hell. I just did it because I need to do it. She knows all this now. Okay. So we became friends, really good friends. We're all good, whatever. And one night, she calls me. Okay, guys, listen to this. And mind you, I had broken up with him. I said what I said to him. He denied it. He doesn't know now that I'm having a friendship with this girl. Okay. She calls me. She's like, Maria, I need to see you. I'm like, Yeah, come over. She comes over. She starts to cry. She's like, I have to be honest about something. She's like, Maria, I love you. You're such a good person. I feel like I need to be honest about something. I go, Let me stop you right there. I knew this entire time. It was like a whole... This could be a movie. This could be a movie.

And this could be the whole episode.

Oh, my God. I know, right? Anyways, no, just long story short, I just basically said to her, I'm like, Listen, I met you with intention to see who you were as a person. I loved you that night. You were so fun, so sweet. At the end of the day, I didn't hold anything against you because my ex, he was supposed to respect me and not do that shit to me. Joey, Oh, back to Joey.

Back to Joey. Joey the Bachelor. So you had never brought a guy home in your life. Is this real?

That became... Okay, here's the thing. I think we were... It's like the semantics of it. It's like, yes, Have men met my dad and my parents? Yes. My ex met my parents. But have I ever brought them into my home where my family met? No. But have they met my parents and the people that matter? Yeah, sure. Did I introduce them to my brothers? No. The entire family, no. But my parents, yes. And my friends, absolutely always. But the idea of just, It was just, I didn't bring them home. But it doesn't mean that they weren't acquainted with my parents and people that mattered to me. It was the idea of just, It's the first guy that I'm going to introduce to everyone all at once. Got it.

Does that make sense? Yes, completely. Okay. Do you think you and Joey would have actually made it in the real world?

It would have been great as friends. We were so funny together where we like the same movies, had the same banter. And we obviously liked each other. But you know what? I don't know. I don't know. I think him and Kelsey make such a good match because he was always one to always need reassurance. Does that mean to say? It's not mean to say because that's what he was very vocal about on the season. And I think that like, Kelsey is the woman that gives it to him, but also is very confident and gets it too from him. I don't know. They work so perfectly together. I don't know how to explain it, but I've never seen two people so into each other. It just worked. I don't know if I could have given him exactly what he wanted all the time. And so I don't know. But I think that we were great friends.

Yeah. What's something that a guy could do that would immediately give you the ick? Dance.

Oh, shit. Here's the thing. I don't mind. Have you ever seen those guys who start breaking out into dance, but they're so bad, but they think they're so good?

When are they breaking out into dance? Give me a contact. That's the problem.

They do.

No, wait, where?

Bitch, anywhere there's a fucking tune. I don't know. Here's the thing. But here's the thing. This is where the difference lies. When they're dancing, but being silly and just owning that they're bad, but There's some that are so bad, but they think they're good. That's where I get the- The full ick. That's where I'm like, oh, my God, Maron, you're not it.

No, that makes sense. Okay. What's the craziest thing an ex has ever done to you?

Date 32 women at the same time. Sorry. Bachelor.

Wait, I thought you... Oh, my God. I didn't get that at first. I was like...

Yeah, this happened more than once in my life. No, just the bachelor. Fuck. I literally did.

Okay. Oh, my God. Yeah, Can we talk about that? How did you deal with the jealousy?

Okay, so here's the thing, and I'm going to be very, very honest with you. In that moment... Oh, fuck. Should I say it? Should I say it?

Mm-hmm. You should always say whatever comes to your brain, sweetie.

I'm on a roll tonight.

It's one o'clock in the afternoon.

I'm going to be honest about something. I know, tonight. Whatever today. So I'm going to be honest with something. So Jen and I... So Jen kissed him on the group date. I went up to her because I just... You know when you're very self-aware, you know your place and things. And I just knew Joey and I were never going to be end game. Yes. Could I have made it further? Sure. 100 %. We had that connection. I just didn't think I was going to be end game, and he was going to be end game for me. And so I told Jen that day that I was going to use that as an excuse to leave Joey.

Use what? That she kissed him?

This is tea, bitch.

Walk me through what you're talking about.

So there's a scene where Jen kisses Joey, and that's where I'm like, Jen kiss Joey? I am disgusted. But I was very close to her, and I just felt like I needed a way out. And it had nothing to do with it. Joey is great. Joey is actually such a catch, and that's why I'm so happy. I think finding happiness was knowing that he's happy with someone that loves him so much. And I'm so happy for him. I just knew it was never going to be me. And so I was like, I need a way out. And so I used Jen kissing him in that moment that pissed me off as an excuse to leave. Okay.

Can I say what I'm getting from that? I think that now with reality television, in a beautiful way, there's so much more that people understand that these environments are so fucked walking heightened. And you're in this bubble, and you are feeling feelings that maybe you wouldn't feel on the outside world, or maybe you are feeling feelings, but they're heightened because of... And so I can imagine that the moment you started to realize Maybe I'm actually not end game, and maybe we're better as friends, and maybe there's still doubts in your head if you're right or wrong. Then you see him the next day, and you're like, Oh, but he's so cute. And then there's also- And when he fights for you to stay, you're like, Okay, shit.

Maybe I'm I'm skyded. I need to be in this. And that's how I felt during hometown. I was like, he fought for me so hard, whether they showed the entirety of that, and that's fair. But in that moment, he did fight for me to stay. And so when it came to hometown, I'm like, Okay, I'm dropping my walls. I'm giving this my all. But that moment in Jasper, when I was trying to leave, it was a little bit of a... I was just trying to give him a way out.

Because I'm going to be honest, now that you're saying it, it makes more sense because, again, to context, people didn't watch that episode, you're sitting on the couch with him. You're basically saying, I can't do this anymore. I am jealous. I'm seeing you kiss other women. I can't handle it.

I knew what I signed up for. Yes.

And I think you could tell, though, there was something else going on. Because you were being sporadic of you're walking back and forth. You're like, I can't do this, Joey. And you could tell that wasn't the real reason. And you could tell he was so confused.

Well, that's good that you could tell that. I could tell that. I'm also- a lot of you were speculating, and I was like, Guys.

But I feel like that's what my job is to do, is I was like, read people sitting across from me.

And I- And you do a really fucking good job.

Thank you. But on TV, I was immediately like, this is not the whole story. So you knew in that moment, maybe it's time for me to go. And then he fought for you, which maybe you're saying we didn't see the whole extent to which he fought.

Yeah, you didn't.

And then we get to hometown, and then that was- Because I was like, I don't want to say I was forced to believe, but you want to believe someone's actions and how hard he fought He fought for me that night where I was like, Okay, you know what?

I need to get my head in the game. I do feel good, great things about him. I think he's great, and I am in it. But I didn't know where he was at, and there was some disconnect. But when he fought for me so hard, I was like, Okay, this is something that could be real. And Maria, Stop fucking this up. And so at hometown, where I fully dropped my walls, and then I got sent home. And I was like, Okay, this is why I protect myself. Yeah. So So I'm like... And that's what I've learned. I've become accustomed to being disappointed by men. And this has nothing to do with Joey. When I talk like this, it has nothing to do with Joey because he was just doing his part in the show, and he I have more stronger feelings for other women, and that's fine. But I just feel like when I turn to protecting myself, where I'm almost self-sabotaging, I feel like it's self-protection.

Got it. Because aside Aside from Joey, have you ever been in a situation where you told someone you love them and they didn't say it back?

More like they come on strong in the beginning, and they're all in, and I push them away. And then when it gets to the point where they're like, I can't... You keep pushing me away. I'm actually going to go. And then when they actually go, I'm like, Wait, I didn't mean that. I was just joking. Get your ass over here. And they're like, I don't know if I can... They don't believe me anymore. But then in the end, like I said, something happens where I'm like, there's a reason why I was pushing them away in the beginning because they do something where I'm like, they weren't even... I don't know if I even believe them to begin with, but there's been times where they come on strong. It's like we're never there at the same time. I'll say that.

I think that's naturally, you will get to a point where I- I want to believe that it's going to happen at the same time where I'm not going to do that in the beginning. But what you're doing, Maria, is you're testing them to see in your brain, you think pushing them away, I'll see if they stay, if they stay. But what you're going to eventually stop doing because that's not healthy is you'll realize, oh, you're pushing them away, and they're like, okay, I'll leave. You can only push so much the moment away to the point where they're like, okay, and imagine if you just didn't.

Oh, I had an epiphany recently. I'm not joking. I'm a whole different person now. When I'm going to open up to someone and I feel it initially. And that initial attraction to me is so hard to come by. I don't just have it for anyone. But when I do, I'm not playing those games. I've learned now the hard way. And so for me, I'm so open to just letting myself be happy for the first time, where I realized that this is what I want. It's amazing. Yeah. So that's what I'm saying. Shit has happened in the past, but I grow from it every time. Totally.

But I will say, because I want to make sure you know I'm not judging you. No. No. Literally until Matt, that was my game. I would be like, oh, my God, I'm going to make sure he really fucking likes me by never giving him anything. They go so hard. And it definitely does something to your ego. You're like, oh, my God.

I know. It's so hard. I'm like, holy shit. You love me. Keep it coming. Yeah, but it's not good.

And then when When you turn around, you're like, We get back here. What are you doing? And it's like, Bitch, you have been literally destroying me for the past couple of months. I've been trying everything. I sent you flowers. I'm so sweet. I take you to dinners, and you give me nothing. And now when I leave, now you want me? Fuck you.

It's a very immature So I'm done with that song and dance. I'm really over it. And so I think it needed to happen for the last time for me to be like, Hey, wake your shit up because you are capable of so much. And I know what I bring to the table and what I can offer someone. So doing that game, it's not cutting it anymore. And I don't even want to do that anymore because it hurts me to hurt someone else.

Well, I think what was positive to see is I feel like we watched you grow on the bachelor. Yes. Oh, absolutely. When you were like, fuck, maybe I do have to let my walls down. Because Joey kept being like, Do you like me? I know. Hello. And you're like, I don't know. We'll see tomorrow. And it was so classic what you're describing. And I think it's so relatable because I think it's this want to not be vulnerable, and you want to make sure they like you before you're vulnerable with them. But for you to actually know if you guys like each other, you have to be vulnerable in the fucking first place. So you can't be walls up the whole time. And I think that, correct me if I'm wrong, I feel like you left the bachelor in a better position for your love life because you're like, I now know what I'm going to move forward and what I'm going to do when I meet someone that I'm actually attracted to. I'm not going to make them think I hate them.

I know. I know. I have to let them know. I know. A hundred %. And being on the bachelor, it showed my friends and family that I am a lot more emotional than they've ever seen me. That was probably the hardest thing watching it back was having my friends and family see how much I cried because I don't cry. That's just not my thing. I am not that girl. And so they couldn't even believe it. They're like, holy shit. But it was a lot more than just crying over a guy. I felt like I was at war at times, where it was just so many things accumulated into one where I was like, okay, I'm so drained. But I did. It opened me up. It allowed me to know that it's okay to be vulnerable and to let my feelings out. And it's better sooner than later because a guy that likes you and wants something with you should know how you feel, because that's the only way you guys are going to move forward. And I totally get it now.

Everything you're saying, I think, led to this perfect obvious next step, which is we need to talk about the Bachelorette.

Oh, yes.

Because we watch you almost as your character arc. It's like you come in and your walls are up and you're falling for this guy, but you don't know if you can because you don't know if he likes you. And then you let him in and then you get heartbroken, but you learn so much. And we're all rooting for you. I feel like America was rooting for you. And America was absolutely devastated when you were not announced as the Bachelorette.

Yeah.

Were you offered the role as Bachelorette? Were you offered the role as Bachelorette?

Obviously, Honestly, I have been trying my hardest to stay silent about this, but I think that moving forward and if I'm going to be in this world, I have to be honest, especially with the people who have supported me. And the answer is yes. I was offered the role. I mean, it was mine until I said it wasn't. And it became very overwhelming to the point where I had to decline.

So thank you for sharing. Yeah. How far How far along were you in the process of becoming the bachelorette until you pulled out?

To the point where I was doing fittings. It was set in stone. I was in it. Again, Bringing up Jen in all of this, she was one of my closest girls in the house, and she was always verbalizing how badly she wanted this. And when everyone around me was so supportive of me being in this position, and everyone wanted this for me, I took a second. I'm like, Why am I not happy? Why am I not excited about this? And it took me realizing that it's just not my time, where I was like, Guys, respectfully, I need to decline. I need to take a step back. I was not in the right head space for this, especially knowing that... Because I know the extensive process it was to be on the show, right? So having a bunch of guys do the exact same thing, and they're there for me, I didn't want I don't waste anyone's time. And honestly, it was hard for me to jump right back into it, honestly.

I think I can be honest. You were about to come on the show, and we were going to announce you as a bachelorette, what, like a month ago? And I remember I was going to have you on on a Monday, and on Sunday, I get the call. Maria went back to Toronto. Yeah. What were those next few days like once you turned it down?

Yeah. No. The one thing about having such a great production behind you and my producers were so supportive of me and just being open and honest of where I was mentally and how I felt about everything. Everyone was so excited, and I know what this season could have been like, and it would have been great. I just was not ready. And coming back home, when I say that I just wanted to come back home, back to reality and just take time off from all of this, I meant it, and I think people saw that and recognize that I wasn't posting as much. And I was not speaking on things because as much as I wanted my time off, but I also wanted Jen to have her moment. And she is the most perfect bachelorette in my eyes. I couldn't think of anyone better to do this. And she I was so ready for it, and that was enough for me to say, Yeah, it's not my time. It was a hard time because, again, everyone was so wanting this for me. But I just needed to be home with my family and friends and take that time off, to be honest.

When you saw how devastated America was, how did it make you feel? Yeah.

I mean, a part of me, obviously, was so grateful, and When people even come up to me and ask for a photo or talk to me and love me off, I'm like, I'm in all of you. I don't deserve this. I'm just so appreciative of it. And that was one thing that kept me going in this process because I was like, I want to do this for them. I want to do this for the people that love and support me. But in my head, I'm like, That's not doing it for the right reasons.

Okay, but when you say it wasn't your time and you weren't ready. Yeah. You're saying you weren't Yeah. Why? I need to understand a little bit more why did you turn it down?

Well, okay. What people saw on their screens was only the half of what I went through in the house. Yes, did I have time off before it aird? Yes. But again, everything was so... I was so anxious throughout the whole thing. And I get it. It would have been my own show. It would have been me having more control over things. But again, it's so isolating being in there. And I would have to give up my phone. Again, not my freedom, but having to be alone in that. And I wasn't comfortable. I wasn't just mentally prepared for it.

I appreciate you sharing that because, again, I think it's like, so many of the women from this season would have been amazing bachelorette.

So many, yeah. Jen, though, is the perfect pick.

She's going to be great. And you would have been great. And it would have been completely different seasons. But I appreciate you saying, and I think what you're doing more people should take note of. I was like, you're not running for the clout and the Fame. There was an obvious answer of you would be on TV for another how many episodes, and everyone would see your face, and you'd be on posters and billboards, and you prioritize it. You were like, I literally am so fucking anxious, and I don't feel good, and I'm going to prioritize that over getting my bag to the right- 100 %.

That never interested me, to begin with, going on the show. And I wasn't ready to milk my 15 minutes. I remember Wells. He was like, I don't know, he did the bartending on... So he went out on a podcast, and he was saying that I had all these expectations, that I had all these... I don't know.

Requirements and asks.

Thank you. Yes. And that one was, I wanted my phone the entire time, and I wanted my friend to be a producer. And it's like, I wanted so badly to shut that shit down. But again, I just didn't think it was my time and my place. And he was like, Oh, everyone's going to forget about her and Daisy. This is going to be their biggest regret. Forget about me. At the end of the day, I have to do what's best for me. And if that's what... It was so disheartening to hear someone who knows this process, not what they put us through, but knows how intense it It is. You have to be fully committed, knows how mentally draining and physically draining this could be to say something like that. It's like, Shut the fuck up.

Literally, Shut the fuck up.

You don't know me. You don't know me. And I'm a very respectful person. So that went so against my character. And I want so badly to speak on that because it's so not true. Everyone knows you get your phone taken away and that's it. Right.

Well, it's also just so tacky. It's like he's been in this franchise for so long. It's like, did you ask Maria if those were her request? Did you hear it through the grapevine? Because if those weren't your request- Broken telephone. Right. Don't speak on shit that you don't know about. And also not to be a dick. But it seems like I'm sure Wells would have loved to be the bachelor back in his day.

I'm saying. But that's what I'm saying. But here's the thing. It's contradicting for you to say, I'm going to be forgotten because I'm not bachelor. But then where do you stand? You were never bachelor. So are you forgotten? Well, I don't know you, so you're forgotten in my head. But No, that's mean. Don't say that. I'm sorry, Wells. Come make me a drink, babe. But at the end of the day, I'm just saying I would never say that about someone else. No, it's a great point. I support whatever anyone else wants to do. At the end of the day, what I wanted people to understand why I took my break was they would say, Okay, it was fairly obvious everyone wanted me as Bachelorette. Obviously, I was going to be asked. I think that was obvious. So if I didn't do it, there had to be a reason. It had to be because of me and because I had to take a step back. So for him to say it was because of this and the other thing... Wells. Wells. That's all I got to say. I just didn't like it. I was like, Just talk to me.

And you know what? Ask me, and I would tell you this isn't that. But I don't disrespect, especially the team that was there for me, who were leaving their families for me to be there by my side. I respect them so freaking much, and it broke heart because I knew how badly... Again, everyone- Everyone wanted it.

No, I agree with you on the Wells thing. I think it's just a dumb comment made by someone who clearly would have... He's speaking from what he would have done. And we're like, We know, Wells. You would have loved to be Bachelor back in the day. But I don't think he thinks he's irrelevant. So why do you have to be irrelevant if you don't take the bachelor in?

Why can we all grow in different ways? We have other things that we would like to do. And if it means me going back to reality, going back to my day to day, what does that have to do with you? And don't talk negative about it. It's okay. I understand I was on a reality show, but it was real life to me, too. If I want to go back home and just go back to me, I am able to do that. And I wanted to do it, and I did it. Done.

Okay, now that we're not going to see you on the show, we're not going to get to see you date 32 men. No. What is going on in your dating life? Are you single?

I'm so single. Okay. I'm so single.

Are we going to see you in Bachelor in Paradise?

No Paradise. No Paradise.

No. Okay, so how are you approaching your dating life right now?

I just want to meet someone organically. Is that the word? Yeah. Old school. I just want someone to come up to me while I'm grocery shopping or at a bookstore, even though I don't read. I'll just be there one day. I just want to meet someone the way... I don't know. Back in the day, no social media. I know my DMs are open.

Tell me. Nothing. Who have you gotten DMs from? Nothing. Shut that book up. No one. Shut up. Look at that. I can already tell when you're lying to me, your jaw just goes, no one.

No, I swear.

Who's in there?

Bitch, are you hooking me up?

Who's in there?

Do you want to look at my DMs? Give her my phone.

Have you not gotten a celebrity DM yet?

From who? Who? Tell me.

Who has messaged you from- Who's DMed you?

I'm married. I know, sorry. Shut up. I know. Sorry.

Who have you gotten DMs from? Come on.

Just Bachelor Nation.

Give us one. Come on.

No, but the Golden Bachelorette. What? I'm not even say the Golden Bachelor. I'm like, Fuck, Maria. No, no, no. The Golden Bachelorette. People who support me. You know what? What man with a penis. It has always been... No, none. Bitch, can you hook me up? No. I think, Peters, if you're watching this, I saw you at Coachella, and I did not like that, but I'm open.

Wait, the guy that played Dommer? Yeah.

He don't say that. He was in so many other fucking things. Sorry. You're going to let people know that I'm interested in fucking Daumer? Not Daumer.

Are you into kinky shit like that in the bedroom?

No, but I like horror, right? So he's like a horror icon of our generation.

Yeah, for sure. He's so hot. Okay, so no guys in your DMs except for bad information.

No, can you get guys in my DMs?

Maybe.

I don't want that, though.

You want to meet someone at Stage Coach this weekend. You're dancing in the Moonlight. Post Malona is singing. You're like, oh. And then someone grabs your arm.

Is he going to grab my arm? No.

Oh, my Wait a second. What? Are you that flexible?

I could be. No. I could be, guys. I'm flexible. Take note.

Are you doing splits on the PP?

I could be. Hey, why not? Wait, do you- Backflip on that shit. What? I'm joking.

Do you use your dance moves in the bedroom?

No.

No. Just your flexibility.

Just my flexibility. Yes. I can throw my leg behind my head. You guys hear DMs are open. I'm joking. I don't want fucking DMs. I really don't. Guys, I'm not kidding.

Who would you answer in your DMs except for Dommer? Who else?

Not Dommer, man. Evan Peter.

Sorry, Evan Peter. Sorry.

Oh, my God. Okay. Who would I? I don't know. Someone who's sweet, kind, ready for a relationship, no games. I don't know. Who do you think I should answer?

I need to think about that. I'm trying to think if Matt has any friends so we can keep it in the family.

I don't like a guy. I used to think I wanted a guy with a big, big, big personality. Yeah, no.

But we're going to clash. They need to shut the fuck up and let us be the stars. Yes. I learned that soon. I was like, okay, when I started really reading on my Leo chart, I was like, oh, I can't have- You're Leo? Leo. Bitch.

I'm rising Leo. Yeah, there we go. What are you rising about?

I think there could be a Virgo in there, or I'm just saying that to make you excited.

Wait, so what's your boyfriend? Husband?

Hubby. He's an Aries, and it works perfectly. It works perfectly because- It does.

Fire You're in fire.

Yeah, it's great. But he's great. I just run the house, and then he's great.

Well, he's great because he got you.

Because he's dominant, but not in the way that I actually have the last word.

But that's what I'm saying. He's a man. That's what I want. I want a man who lets me have...

You're fucking... You get it. Have your independent confidence, and don't be terrified of your success. And when you're in a room, he's like, Go do your thing, babe.

Yes, because they know at the end of the day, you're going to make them feel like the biggest man in that fucking room.

Yes. Boom. Okay, we're going to play a game. Since you're now dating, I'm going to give you a scenario. Am I dating? Okay, go. Okay, well, you're dating. Well, you're I'm trying to. Okay, I'm going to give you a scenario that could happen on a- I'm not trying that hard.

Okay, what? Sorry, I'm like, I'm not trying that hard. It's fine. I'm okay with being alone.

I'm going to give you a scenario, okay? Yeah. That could happen on a first couple of dates with someone, and you're going to tell me what you would do. Go ahead. He subtly flexes how much money he makes.

I pay the bill and leave. Make it feel low. Take his balls and come right off. Take your money and go impress mother, bitch. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, what?

No, I love it.

No, I love it. This is great.

Is there any scenario where it would be hot if someone's flexing about their money?

No, never. Absolutely never. And you know what? The richest people know, not that I know all the richest people, but they know they don't flaunt it that way. People that do don't actually have it. I like a guy who's modest. Modest?

Modest? No. Well, not modest, it's money. I want you to spend money.

No, but I don't need him to talk about it. Who are you trying to impress?

It's almost like you want to know he's wealthy through what he says of like, oh, my God, I can't wait to take you to Paris this summer. We have to go. And you're immediately like, what airline are we flying?

Yeah, you got this.

It's through the contextual clues, he's healthy, not by him flexing on you. And you're like, you definitely don't have that much. If you're talking about how much money you have, you don't have that much money. I have no interest in hearing it, so 100 %.

Okay.

He text back way too fast, like every single time. Oh, I love it.

Oh, no. Yeah. I don't play games like that. When I see the text, I answer. No, Maria, hold on. No, I'm not kidding. No. Answer that text or else. No, I'm being serious. Do not wait on it. Hold on.

What if it's literally every single time you press Enter? I'm being serious. He's already typing. Oh, type.

Why? Why not?

He's He's mad eager.

I mean, he's there. I mean, that to me shows you're not playing games.

Here's the thing. But he doesn't have a job. Okay, no, no, no. Not even a five-minute pause?

Okay, no, no. But here, let me say, if you see the text and you answer, I like it. Obviously, yes, the man should have a fucking a job, and he shouldn't be seeing his phone right away. But I mean, for the most part, when you see it, I don't find it hot you waiting hours to respond.

Yes. We don't need two business days, go by, and then it's like, sorry, just saw this. No, no.

When you see it, just text back. But if you're busy, do your thing. Okay.

He's very Are you really into sexting?

Where are we at in the relationship?

A couple of months.

So we're dating? Yeah. And we're exclusive? I don't know. I'm only going to sex you if we're exclusive.

Okay, good to know. Really? Where do they feel I look back at the dates and I'm like, I feel like I was sexting when I was getting towards exclusive.

Oh, no. I need to be exclusive with you because I have fun sexting.

You do have fun sexting. I felt like it was exhausting.

Because usually, the guys that I talk to aren't from Toronto, and so it's long distance. So sexting is what keeps us close.

Not FaceTime sex?

Oh, I mean, all the above.

Okay, so you don't mind a little sexed?

Yeah, but not all the time at all. You want it to be special and sporadic and keep it exciting. Okay.

He leaves a toothbrush at your apartment after a few weeks of seeing you, but never says anything about it.

I I'm going to throw it out. What the fuck is this here? I wouldn't even notice if you throw it out and be like, what the fuck?

That's it.

No, no. Honestly, I would be like, well, first of all, why don't you have a place? And why aren't I leaving mine at yours?

And also, you know what I find as I'm asking you this question quite strange? How did the toothbrush get there? I know. What the fuck?

He put it in his pocket. He's like... No, literally. No, that would be a little weird.

Because probably if you're not... You probably were at dinner or you're at the bar. So with this motherfucker keeping it in the back pocket, poking out the whole time.

Yeah, no. I would be like...

A little grossed out.

I'd be like, I don't know. It's never happened, but I'll let you know when it does.

Yeah. Unless he has veneers and he is like, Oh, my God. My teeth will stay. And if I get this white wine off or red wine off them. I don't know.

That's a turn off. He travels with a toothbrush because his veneers? No, no, no. His mom's like, No. Okay, so we're not appreciating if a guy leaves a toothbrush.

You're just checking it.

I don't think I would think too much. I mean, there would need to be a conversation. I can't imagine a guy just like, slipping it in there. But I think if he did slip it in there without a conversation, I would be like, what the fuck?

Have you ever hooked up with a guy that when you went to his house and his bathroom? There was another Yeah. Or it's fully stocked, ready to go for a woman post-sex. No, but that's a little fucking weird, right? It's weird. I've been there before. I've been there before and I'm like, I don't know.

What are you, a sexer on the go? No sexer on the go. What are you, a fucking- A fucker on the go? The fucker on the go? He's ready. He's equipped.

He's got the baby wipes. Oh, my God. He's got the makeup wipes.

Okay, you know what? Stop this right now.

This is what I will say. If a guy has his entire bathroom stocked for a girl, if it's a one night stand, I'm like, Thank you. Thank you that I can take my makeup off. I can put my tampon. Imagine I don't need these tampons.

That'd be confusing. That's a whole other level.

But if you're seeing him in a way that you like him, I would be like, no, fuck this shit. Yeah, I agree.

Oh, my God. You want to hear a story? Yeah. So I was seeing this guy. This is before the show. And I went to I was in his house, and he had a his and her sink, and he had moved out, and he moved to this new place. I'll never fucking forget this. So he had his and her sink. And then I walk into the bathroom, and there's his sink. It's all his shit. And then there's this random toothbrush in the her sink. So I go, What the fuck is that? He's like, Oh, it's mine. I swear to God, this was his excuse. I almost wanted to puke. He's like, Oh, no, it's mine. I used two separate toothbrushes, one that's a little bit hard bristles, bristles, where the fuck? And one that's softer. I go, I don't know. Do I look like I'm stupid? Okay, don't answer that. But don't fuck with me right now. He went to the extent of grabbing the toothbrush and using it to prove to me that he does use it. And I went, You just did the most, and you're embarrassing. So goodbye.

It's actually regardless of if he's lying or if he's telling the truth, both are awful. Right. Both are awful. Why was it on that side?

Why wasn't it on your fucking his ass- Just put them in the same cup. His ass, ugly ass, stupid messy sigh?

Put both of your toothbrush in the same cup. In the same area. Liar. Okay. He vents to you about his ex on one of the first few dates.

You know what? I like to do this thing where I call it Honesty Hour. It's actually a hidden thing that I get I have every guy with it, to be honest. Girls take notes. So I like to hang out with guys casually, very casual. Let them know we're friends. We're going to see where this goes. Let's have a bottle of wine and let's ask each other anything. And let's not judge each other on this. So I usually ask that. I'll say, if your ex can describe you in any way, how would it be? Because I like to know. I want to see how they're going to, A, talk about their ex, if it's going to be in a nice way. But also I want to know what they would think that their ex would say about them. So just opening that up and letting them know it's a comfortable setting to talk about that. But if they're opening up about their ex randomly without me asking, I'd be like, Girl, I would call them Girl. But I'd be like, Listen, I think you need to send her a text and say you're sorry Because you're still hung up on it.

I'm not interested. Yeah.

Time for me to go.

But I don't know. I wouldn't want to know.

Okay, wait. Honesty hour. I'm loving it. This is my problem. First of all, I feel like every single time that a guy... Okay, this is my experience. They're still not being honest. No, this is my problem. Every fucking time, I think that girls always want to fucking know about a guy's past. When I met Matt, I was like, Tell me every single ex you have. Show me their Instagram. Who are they? Then some of them, I was like, Oh, my God. Whoa, you dated her? Oh, my God. And then he never asks in return.

Oh, my God. Because they don't want to know. But I like that, though. Because it bothers them so much. They don't want to know. A guy was like, show me, show me. I know. You're right.

It's like, literally- Let me make you jealous.

Like, ask. They want to know.

And then they don't ask.

I can see why they wouldn't want to know, because in my mind, this is the way my thought process would be, is that they like me so much. They can't imagine me with anyone else.

I believe that. Is that Delulu? No, not at all.

But it's not, right? No. But then there's also the other guy who would be like, no, show me every single one. And he's like, weirdly, obsessive and wants to take ownership of you and wants to know. I like the guy who would be like, you know what? I don't even want to see it.

No, I love the guy that does that. I remember Matt did that to me on the date. I was like, so are you going to- I know.

I could show you. Just see what this guy sends me.

It breaks me. Such confidence. But such confidence. But sometimes I'm like, motherfucker, let me make you jealous. Be jealous. Okay, second question is, when you ask them, oh, what would what all of your exes say about you? What do you think, Maria, if I ask you, what would all of your exes say about you? Fuck.

I don't like this turning on me. I think they would say that I'm honest, that I'm loyal, and I I can be a little nuts at times. I love the honesty. What a shocker, right? Nuts me? I don't think so. Self-aware.

Self-aware. So you're not doing the Bachelorette. Where are we going to see you? We've got to see you more often.

I would love to be seen more often. No, actually, you know what? I'm not kidding you when I say this. I'm taking it step by step. I wanted to be on this podcast. This was my first step. And now what I'm going moving forward? I don't know. I really don't know. And so to give an answer, but I'm sure people will see more of me. Yeah.

I think that's a great answer. I can imagine this is very overwhelming, right? Oh, so overwhelming. You had a pretty normal life before all this. Does your dad And my dad really make- Sprinkles. Sprinkles? Yeah.

That's cool. I know. And every time I say sprinkles, they're like, Sprinklers? I'm like, No, no, no, guys. The shapes and sugars you see on baked goods. But people don't get it, but someone has to do it.

Do you like sprinkles?

My dad owned a chocolate factory before the sprinkles, and I wasn't a big chocolate ear. I know. I'm not a dessert girl. I'm not like... He did chocolate-covered almond, everything. But as for sprinkles, yeah. Do I usually put sprinkles on things? Yes. I'm going to say yes Because I own a sprinkle company. But listen, everyone, you need it.

We need it. We need it. It is.

And someone's got to do it. So you're going to stagecoach?

What are you going to do? Who are you going to stagecoach with?

The Sisters for My Show. I Iconic Girls. Love. They are the best.

You told me you were going with your sisters, and I was like, You have sisters?

Well, they are like my sisters now.

Who are you going with? What are their names?

Lauren and Allison Hollinger.

Okay.

And Sal.

Do you love country music?

I like country music, but am I the biggest fan?

No. You're like a Nickelback girl.

I love Nickelback, bitch. I knew it. Bitch, I cannot wait to see Nickelback. I'm so excited.

Look at these I literally love Nickelback, and I don't get why they have such a bad rep because- Why do they?

I don't know. It's like me. Why do I have such a bad rep? I don't get it either. Nickelback, I'm with you.

Not after this episode. I feel like We really covered it all. I hope so. We didn't cover anything. I feel like we need to do 19 more of these to actually get through it all. I would love to. I truly had so much fun with you today. I think you're even better in person. You're so It's fun to be around. You have insane stories.

I do. And yeah, there's so many more. Actually, yeah, I'm not going to say it. What? No, no, no. No. We'll save it.

We'll save it. We'll save it for something else. Yes. Maybe you'll do one day. Oh, maybe. I have an idea.

Oh, well, I'm interested in hearing more. Okay.

Maria, thank you so much for coming on Call Her Daddy. It was truly a pleasure, and it was very fun.

Pleasure's all mine. Love you. I love you, bitch. Fuck.