Yard there. First and goal from the one-yard line and into the end zone for the touchdown goes Samir White. Good protection. Going for the end zone, often making the grab. Trey Tucker for the touchdown. Blitz coming, passes, reached for and pulled in for the touchdown by Jacobi Myers. Second and seventh. Play action. Wide, wide, wide-open touchdown. Michael Mayer taking the snap will be Brandon BOLDin. He'll keep it. He'll run, and he'll run all the way to the end zone. What are you doing? What areyou doing? Touchdown from the 20-yard line. O'connor to the end zone. Touchdown, Raiders. Second and goal. Myers is going to throw touchdown. Devante Adams hauls it in. No huddle here.

Sticked, looking.

Look out from behind. And the ball is out. It's going to be ruled and it's a lie. And're going to the end zone right now for what is ruled a touchdown as John Jenkins. The second down in 13. Oh, baby. Unbelievable. Jack Jones. They do it again. I mean, there are bad dreams and there are crazy bad dreams. And for the Chargers, it's been that a night.

It was that a night. Eight touchdowns. We usually don't go so long on the highlights leading in, but we just couldn't choose which of the Raiders eight touchdowns we wanted to choose. They finish it out. 63-21. It was the first game, first team since the 1950, Rams to have eight different players score a touchdown. We had a 320-plus pound man, John Jenkins, run it in for 44 yards and that wasn't even the best defensive touchdown of the night. Jack Jones got that. I am Greg Rosenthal. We're going to break down this game a little. We'll talk a little big picture, Chargers Raiders as well after this. I will give you my MVP ladder with some great statistical help, because I'm going to be helped tonight by Sam Schwartzstein. If you watch Prime Vision on Amazon, you've seen Sam's head just pop up in the corner all night. He's just like a part of the family dinner at our house. Sam just popping up. Oh, there he is with some good stats. He is there in Vegas tonight. Sam, welcome. Thank you.

Thanks so much, Greg. We were talking about it. We were talking about the big man touchdown. That was by far my favorite touchdown. I want to know what your favorite touchdown was. But I got to hop in early with some analytics, some Lytics, as we call them here. Every time we get a big dog touchdown, a thick six, if you will, shout out to my Goldk Jr, we got to know how fast he was moving. He was moving at 14.95 miles per hour. That would have been the fourth fastest by a guy over 320-plus who's pushing more than three bills in the the fourth fast in the NGS era since 2016.

Great job bringing the numbers right off the bat. Yeah, I wanted Al to get a little more excited there, but I think from his angle, and I could tell from our angle too, it was like, What happened on that play? Was that actually a touchdown? It was just one of those nights. It was 42-nothing at half time. The second largest margin tied for the second largest in the history of the NFL. The only thing that was bigger than that game I remember well, Tom braided in the snow, taking it out on Jeff Fisher, who had been honking about Bill Belichick and the Patriots, 45-nothing at half time. I think that was back in 2009. Yet that wasn't the most embarrassing moment in the game. After it was 42 to nothing, the next three touchdowns for the Raiders were thrown by Jacobe Myers, ran in by John Jenkins, and then returned by Jack Jones, the former Patriot, who made to me one of the most fun plays of the year, reading one of East and Sticks Pass, catching it one handed, reading it so well that the pass was behind him and going in. And at that moment, Sam, they have 63 points and we got pretty much the whole fourth quarter to go.

And I'm thinking history that we're going to be talking history. Were you rooting for 73 or more? Or were you feeling too bad for the charges at that point?

I just wanted to root for score, Gami at that point, to be completely honest. We were at score, Gami. You got one. You got one. And we got one. And we got one. So you always have to have something to root for, whether it's the spread or the over, everything's already hit. You got to root for something. And so score, Gammy is what we were rooting for at the end of the game.

I mean, I would assume once you get over 63, most everything's a score, a game.

66-14 had happened before.

Okay.

We were nervous. We were nervous. If team wanted to settle for a field goal, we were nervous.

Yeah, I wanted it because I did feel for Brandon Stale, and we'll get to him quickly. But before we just move to bigger picture stuff and some more fun stuff, I do want to give Raiders credit. They've played with Antonio pierce now for six weeks. They're three and three. Their defensive numbers are good. I think they're giving up something like 15, 16 points a game now with Antonio pierce. He's a defensive coach. They've had some good defensive games for the most part. They're three and three. They kept going after it in this game. They were throwing. Nothing crazy, but they were throwing at the lead, which I think that's respecting your opponent. To me, it's fine. You don't need to just lay down. But I think he knows, Hey, look, I have four games. If I do something historical, if I'm showing Mark Davis on national television, what I can do, him and Champ Kelly, their interim GM, are fighting to try to stay there. I think they have a chance. I don't pretend that I have inside information on this, but I think Mark Davis said publicly, I'm going to give these guys a chance.

I'm going to make an evaluation from everything they do. They've had six games. They still have three fairly difficult games left. But if they happen to play well in those three games, maybe beat the Chiefs, you go two and one, something like that. I think they'll have a chance. I do think there is some meaning bigger picture to take out of this game other than it was just a fun night in Vegas.

Yeah, you talked about passing throughout the game. When it was a two possession game at the start, there was a plus 9.2 % pass rate over expected. That's a next-gen stats metric looking at on every down and distance where all the players line up. Do we expect the team to pass or not? And so that was one of the highest ones of the season at that point.

So it was really wet. The whole game or at what point in the game? What do you mean?

Starting at two-possession game.

Okay.

Yeah, that was where it really started to show like, Hey, is this guy taking the foot off the gas? It's getting out of hand already. It was the first quarter. And so when we're looking at pass rate over expected, it's like, yeah, most teams in similar scenarios would not have passed, and he's 10, a nearly 10 % higher. This team is a unique team, in O'Connor, fourth round pick, not really the guy you'd expect to take you to the next level. Everyone got when they got blank to last week by Brian Floris, people don't realize Brian Flores and the Vikings is really the most unique defense in the NFL right now. You can cover zero or drop eight. So that's really hard for young quarterbacks to take advantage of, especially if you can't run the ball. So good game for them. I don't think as much as last game didn't tell us who this coaching staff was, this game also doesn't tell us who this coaching staff was. I'm not going to say maybe they're somewhere in the middle. They're definitely not either team that we've seen so far in the weeks.

No, but I love the response. It's Aden O'Connor. You mentioned mid-round rookie. I think it's acquitted himself well overall. He looks like he's going to have a career. Been better than average, I would say, for a rookie quarterback. And he's a mid-round guy, 248 yards, four touchdowns, 20 for 34. But pierce was asked by your colleague, Caley Hart, I'm not a half-time, What's the attitude here? He said to not let your foot off the pedal. I love that. To me, that's very Raiders. That's something Mark Davis will appreciate. That's something Al Davis will appreciate. And the crowd was appreciating. I mean, it's the most expensive seating sports for two, five, and eight teams put on a show. They were booing Antonio pierce when they didn't go for it on fourth and short in the second half, which I loved. He did not. He punched it a couple of times on fourth and short, so he did not get carried away. But I love it. I think, look, these guys are evaluated on statistics. Everyone is playing for their next contract, not just the coaches, but Devonday Adams wants to have a big night for once.

He gets one-on-one, eight catches. Xamir White's making one of maybe his first career start. Certainly the most he's been used in a long time. Everyone wants to ball out. Jack Jones trying to keep his career going. Everyone wants to ball out. What are you going to do? Stop playing. I don't think Brandon Staley, who surprisingly talked to Kaylee Heart's on going into half-time, I give him some credit for that, and wasn't giving away anything emotionally on the sideline, I don't think he would mind. And I saw it on Twitter, so that's what I'm reacting to. I think people need to calm down with Antonio pierce somehow breaking some code. Give me a break.

Yeah, I think it goes both ways, though. I would not have been a surprise if Brandon Staley wouldn't cover zero the entire rest of the game as well, right? Sure. The code is that you have a choice and I have a choice. When you do a double pass, what I loved is that they installed one double pass this game and they just ran the same one twice. That's like... You know? They did a different over motion on it. That was probably a sideline thing.

Well, it worked the first time. I know it was just two for twelve yards, but he got the touchdown on it. Jacobi Myers, perfect. Well, not quite perfect pass rating, but pretty nice tonight. Do you do NGS numbers on Jacobi Myers as a passing?

I did it. That's me showing how unprepared I am for postgame with you.

I, again, and we'll move to the bigger picture stuff soon. I do want to get into your role and everything because it is very fascinating to me. I really enjoy, and maybe that's why your producer reached out, I don't know. I've been talking up, watching it this way. To me, just the coaches film alone, getting to watch a game like that is beautiful. But all the things Amazon does to supplement that really helps, especially the names and the circles and everything. I do want to shout out Malcolm Coons, who was awesome in this game, was crushing one of the best healthy players the Chargers have left. They were a mass unit, not many healthy players. He was awesome, rushing the passer, beat Rashan Slater a number of times. I don't know what he ended up with with quarterback hits, but two sacks. He had that force fumble, and he was crushing it. And it was a big reason why they lost. And look, the defense, there was a couple of fumbles early by the Chargers, the special teams, and on offense, and Raiders converted it early. But the Chargers defense to me was a big part of the story in the first half of this game.

And the conversation coming out of it will be whether Brandon Staley keeps his job through this weekend, because I think we know he's very likely to lose it after the end of the season. And I just look back on him and his run, because when he came in, he was a little bit of an Analytics darling, in just that he was so aggressive. I thought he somehow lost the plot sometimes. He went for it so much and then he pulled back so much. Sometimes he seemed to be reacting to what the public was saying, and that's always dangerous. But the thing that I always come back to with him, and I'm sure he knows this in his heart once he has time to look back on it. He's a defensive coach and the defense just was never good enough. And his three years as Charger's coach, I don't know if you don't like me using DVOA. Are they a rival? Oh, I love DVO-A. Okay, I don't know.

I love Aaron Shad. I don't know.

Yeah, I love DVO. Some in the Analytics game, they don't like each other. There's different beefs. The streets are tough on them. There's also friendships out there, too.

I am one of those people in the Analytics world, especially because I come from a football background, that any number that will help us get better at explaining football to people, that's the one I'm a fan of.

Yes, and he's been doing it.

That's all he's doing. And Aaron's done an amazing job and the results are there. You're one of the best predictors. You can get on an individual player basis. It's a great stat.

Right, and they've been doing it for so long. And I was going to mention Chargers Defense, Under Staley, 26th in 2021, 21st last year, and coming into this game, they were 27th. Obviously, Herbert peaked, I would say, in terms of his production, his efficiency, his everything in 2021. And his numbers have gone down the last couple of years. So that's the most important thing is to develop your guy. And so I'm giving a little bit of a retrospective, Sam, just because there's a decent chance he might not have his job by the time we tape next and we're going to be just recapping games on Sunday. It won't even be... It'll be an afterthought then. So tonight put me in a little bit of a reflective mood looking back on the stale era.

Yeah, to start on tonight, one of the stats we didn't get to bring in to the game, but to me it was a beautiful night of rudimentary football getting down to the brass tacks on it. And what I mean by that is what the Raiders game plan was to attack Mike Davis, the cornerback for the Chargers. And when you're watching film, getting ready for a game, it's about finding the fish, right? Who's the weak link and how do we take advantage of him? It's not always, Hey, we have the best concepts. Look at all these plays. It was, where's Mike Davis? And Mike Davis is not hard to find, even though they're trying to hide him. He plays into the boundary 80 % of the time, or nearly 80 % of the time he's in the boundary. And you put a guy there because he can't cover the whole field and they still attacked him. He still has the most touchdowns over... He had six touchdowns on him when targeted over 10 air yards. He had two tonight. They knew Trey Tucker with his speed, they were going to attack him there. It was seriously a very simple game plan.

Third down, go to Mayor, big play, find Mike Davis. And I love when football can be like that and you can make it easy. And like you said, analytically, he seemed like a darling, but he was mostly going off vibes. I'm going to be completely honest. Explain that. So in game, they have an analytics expert on their staff that is helping Coach make decisions and he's guiding them, but they don't have access to the same data that you or I will see on Twitter or that I have access to with the NextGen Stats decision guide. In game, they're just printing out a book that has the possible scenarios they might run into, analytics expert is giving a recommendation and then it's up to the coach. When you look at the NextGen stats decision guide, which has live data, now we don't know what their game plan is, so I don't have game plan data for them. But when you look at the NextGen Stats decision guide, it is as robust as can be on giving the right recommendations. Brandon has lost more win probability on situations to go for it than when he.

Chooses to go for it with the model. He's being too aggressive, essentially.

Exactly. Thank you. He's being too aggressive. And so when you say, Oh, is he really following analytics? He's not. He's just going on vibes. Whether it was the first game or his first season, he had a defense he didn't trust. Then he spent $109 million on defense with Kaleo Mc. And he goes, Oh, okay, now I have to trust my defense. And so he just waffles and goes off of vibes in those moments, not really focusing on being as analytically savvy as it might have seemed in the first year.

Yeah, it's a shame because they've had great players, but Bosa hasn't been able to stay on the field. Derwin James, for whatever reason this year, maybe it's just usage often they're using him as a single high guy and that's not really his strength. It hasn't been as impactful this season. And I just think a couple of moments before we move on from the charges, because again, I'm just anticipating what may happen here. The 27-nothing loss last year was concerning. But to me, Staley's responses to questions about that loss this season were almost more concerning. He was just feeling it. He was tight. I just think back to that last game of the regular season, I guess that would have been in '21 when Justin Herbert's just at that point playing as well as he's ever played as a pro, playing out of his mind, playing one of the best games I can think of that a quarterback could play that year. Hell, he got an MVP vote or two. Or maybe it was just one vote that year.

I think it was mine.

Yeah, and they still lose. They still lose because they can't stop Derrickar in the Raiders and that defense can't get one stop late in that game. So it ends up just being a great shootout and they don't get rewarded for it. So we got to get you an MVP vote. Do you really have one? That would be amazing.

No, I don't. I don't, but I would. I think the guy is special. I think he did a lot of fun stuff on the field in the way he fights through injuries.

I know. And he probably will be starting over unless they wanted to get really crazy and go to Kelly more as the head coach or maybe the interim head coach. Who knows? I see a lot of Bill Belichick stuff out there. I would not hold your breath on that.

I think what people have to see is that this is not fantasy football where everyone's treated equally. One of the things we used to say about Brandon Staley, why he went forward so much on Fourth Down was his first year, he had a four-year deal. It's very hard to get fired in your first year because having run a football league before, you don't have enough budget double paying the head coach. It's not a thing that you account for when going forward. So I think paying the money that Belichick will demand, I think that's something that the chargers aren't going to do.

Right. And Itry to look at it too as just... Belichick famously said about Woody Johnson in a book or it was quoted, I'm not going to work for that bleeping guy when he ended up retiring five days after he was hired two days after whatever it was. I just think you look at the situation, Tom Talesko, the GM, will he be there? Will he won't? Belichick's one are going to have all the power. There's a certain amount of ego that's involved. There's a certain amount of like, Who would even want to take him on? To me, the Chargers are just not the ownership or if Talesko is there as the GM, someone that's going to want to take them on. We do have a quote from Brandon Staley after this game. I'm just going to read for you quickly. He said, Games like this happen in the NFL to every coach that's ever coached in this league. You can look at any great coach that's ever coached in this league. Sometimes games like this happen. I don't need to retrace history, but it's part of sports. Sometimes there are games where it doesn't go right, none of it.

You have to put it behind you. You got to move on to the next thing. It's philosophical. It's even true. But it's not what any of you guys think or think that you're a team of the players fan or I suspect Dean Spanos is going to want to hear tonight. Let's talk something more fun. Let's get out of tonight. You broke out a stat between the third and the fourth quarter. I mean, breaking news, it was called QBDI. Explain this stat for me.

Yeah, so QB difficulty index, and we call it QBDI for short, it set out... It was like a little bit of a Piped dream. We have a great team at Amazon and things that we can create, but we have so many different metrics, whether they're composites or machine learning metrics like EPA per dropback or different things that can measure the performance of a quarterback. Everyone picks and choose, which is when they want to use Passer rating, NGS passing score. Passer rating and NGS, they don't have SAX. Qbr, that has SAX, but we don't know exactly how it's made.

All these different things. The place is percentage over expected.

There's a bunch of different things that measure the performance. We thought, well, let's measure the world around the quarterback and see if we can create a level playing field. This quarterback has a more difficult time than this one. And so then we can then look at that as a baseline and say, okay, now we're trying to compare it. And what's great about this stat this year is this is something we thought of last year in one of our games. And now the conversation about MVP is all about Brock Purdy's life is so easy. He's got the easiest gameplay and everything's made easy for him. And QBDI is trained on expert annotations myself, other NFL players that have done this, that know football, annotating which plays are most easy for a quarterback to complete. And we take that, we run some machine learning on it. We have some stack rank metrics that we're applying to things that the quarterback doesn't typically control, and then it spits out a number. And so it has a pretty high agreeance with how experts annotate plays. You can't give the exact number, but it's very high. Where the model agrees with the experts.

So we feel confident that the numbers that we're able to give out correctly identify which quarterbacks have the most difficult games and which quarterbacks had the easiest.

Yeah. And to give our listeners some background, I do know you are a former player, used to play offensive line at Stanford with Andrew Luck. And I'm sure that's all going into it. I am curious, so what does it take into account? It takes account how easy the pass is, scheme. Does it take in opponent into account?

So I got to put this the right way. The thing about machine learning is you can't always pick out what components are taking place, right? So even when you see on Prime Vision, if you're a Prime Vision watcher, we have defensive alert when it's giving out of recommendation if this player is likely to blitz or not. I can't go in and say, This is the moment. Here's the component, if they're telling you. What we're able to do is every single player in the NFL is tracking chips in their shoulder pads, in the ball. We have a frame of the field, a web of the field, and we're tracking those player movements. And then we annotate plays off of identifying these plays are more difficult than these plays, and we stack rank different plays, and then the model trains off that information. So I can't - So.

When you're starting it out, are you starting it out that it's more difficult because the defense is playing well? I'm just curious if it's including the defense at all in that- The way the model works- As a dork, I'm curious.

Yeah, no, you're talking to the biggest football dork. The way we view it is it identifies how easy the game plan is, which we saw tonight for East and Stick. Screen passes, easy throws, get the ball out quick. We know that is involved and we're able to match that up. We're able to then also see is the offensive line blocking correctly? Is this quarterback being pressured a lot? Right. You've seen that plays with pressure have higher difficulties. Very easy. And then we have a stat that we co-developed with Next Gen stats called Prime Target, which is identifying players that are open or likely to convert a first down if they caught the ball in that moment. If you're watching the broadcast, these are the players that light up green with a green herb, because we're measuring not just who the quarterback throws to, but is any other player on the field open? Oh, the more prime targets, the easier the play is. And so there's different metrics that go into it, but all the player tracking data is also being measured on top of it. So we're able to confidently say that the coordinator, your offensive line, and your skill position players are doing their jobs, then you're going to have an easier game.

There's also a way that quarterbacks can be unique. If you're a quarterback that your coach calls quick game and you do not throw that quick game, plant.

Pass, you're.

Going to have a difficult game. So that's the only way the quarterback really is controlling how difficult their game is. And we've seen quarterbacks do that where they're just going to hold onto the ball and try and hero ball a lot, that game makes the play more difficult. Guys like Patrick Mohomes, Josh Allen, who we see do heroball things, they're not doing it on the quick passes.

They're not doing it on the right passes. And yeah, I saw you mentioned Easton Stick had a, I guess it would be a high score there in terms of if it was easy.

It was easy. So the lower the number, the easier the score. So we scale everything on a one to ten. He would have hit a little bit above a three, which would have won one of the easier games this year.

But to be fair, East and Stick, not an embarrassment tonight, despite the fact that they had no points throughout the game. He actually ended up with 257 and three touch-ons. And even early when I know there was a fumble and he wasn't looking great to me, didn't do the bad. Congratulations to all the fantasy owners, by the way, who had the guts to play Aden O'Connor or East and Stick, three touchdowns, four touchdowns for O'Connor, or Zapier White, or Josh Palmer got the long touchdown. It's like if you had the Stones to do any of that, this actually ended up being a scorefest. Let's use your new stat to break down my MVP ladder. We've actually haven't done this on the show. We've talked like deck, purdy, but just in general conversations. I hadn't thought to sit down and do it. I used to always write this as a weekly column at the end of the season. I just want to throw Patrick my homes in as an honorable mention because really he's playing outstanding despite everything that's happening around him. But I wrote down six names because I could not bear to not include Josh Allen as my number six.

I actually think there's a chance he finishes this season completely on fire and is playing as high level this season as just about anyone and that could get into people's minds for the MVP. Tied for fourth and fifth, I have the two 49ers. Kyle, Shane, and Anne said he did not want to pick between Christian McAfrey and Brock Purdy. And I'm not going to either. I'm going to give some reasons for that. But I am curious how Purdy and this group matches up with your numbers in terms of the new stat you came up with.

Yeah. Which guys did you want to know first on the difficulty range?

Let's go Purdy. But you can just tell me compared to the rest of the field, then I'll run through the rest of mine later. How does Purdy rate out here?

Yeah, Purdy would be in the upper third, right around the edge of Easiest quarterbacks. He's at a 4.96. Tua is the lowest at 3.91. And a large part of what we're seeing with Tua is the quick game and those guys are getting open and he's not really diverting off the quick game quite a bit. And he's throwing behind line scrimage over 100 % of his yards in the... Or not over 100 %, that's just Ricky Moster. Inside the red zone, 90 plus % of his yards are Yak. So easy plays or screen plays are easy plays. And so we're seeing a lot of that from him. But Brock Purdy, his offensive line is blocking as well as some of the other offensive lines out there. And so when you're looking at how difficult it is, that's part of it. Now, is it making it easier for him? Because there are open receivers quite a bit? Absolutely. Is he being called upon to play as much as to pass as much as some of the other guys? Not as much. So we're seeing that on total difficulty plays. He's not seeing as many difficult plays, but he's still able to operate within those plays.

And the Brock, Priti, Doc, Prescott has the two leading favorites or the betting favorites right now. They're right around each other. They're in the exact same territory. Those.

Guys- Where's Lamar? -are on the players.

Lamar, let me look at the list. He's one of the more difficult ones because he's running around quite a bit. Yeah, probably one of the highest guys in the NFL, the eligible players. So looking at our list right now, Lamar is up there. So if you're looking for Lamar as your MVP, this is the stat to help back up your MVP.

Well, you can just put his rushing numbers in there too, and his rushing QBR value. I have Lamar number three right now, and before 49ers fans go crazy, that I would have pretty fourth or fifth. A lot of it, first of all, it is some eye test and evaluating how well this player is playing relative. But having someone in the top five MVP, and for me, that would be the top three quarterbacks, is saying he is playing at an exceptionally high level. I just like the other people playing at an exceptionally high level a little more. And a big part of that is what you mentioned, which is opportunity. He has less than about a hundred less dropbacks than Doug Prescott. That's like 2-3 games for Brock Purdy. So when I think about that they are asking Doug Prescott to do more, which they clearly are, he essentially runs the offense himself. He's changing all the plays. He's changing protection. He has so much more on his plate. It's just a fact. And then you're also adding that just volume wise, him and Lamar and some other quarterbacks have such a higher number of drop backs.

Lamar obviously has the running game. So that's why I'm giving a slight edge. I have Lamar three, Tyreke Hill two, because to me, his value, what he's doing is just special at his position compared to maybe what any quarterback's season is having. If you can get over 2,000, I give him a chance. And then Doc would be my number one. Where would you lean at this point in the season?

Look, I have a tough time to fall and breaking the trend of VP per dropback, deciding who our MVP is going to be. It's done a pretty good job over the years.

Both not and total PA - I know, but that's looking back. Isn't that a team? Not to jump in. Sorry. Isn't that, to me, as an EPA for a dropback, a little bit of a team stat more than a quarterback stat?

It's a holistic stat. Absolutely, quarterbacks. But you can't argue that quarterbacks don't have the most impact. And then for the past seven years, I think going back to Cam Newton, the EPA for Dropback leader has won the MVP. So it passes the eyeball test in terms of quarterback performance. And then I'll tell you this, this is probably my favorite reasoning on why Brock, Purdy should win it. When Kyle, Shannonhan was asked preseason two years ago if Jimmy Groppo was the starter, he said, I don't know if we're all going to be alive tomorrow. How can I tell you that? And then he was asked this year if Brock, Purdy was the starter coming off of a UCL tear. He said, Brock Purdy would have to melt off the face of the earth for him not to be the starter. We're all saying that Kyle Shanahan is the guru, the greatest. How does he view this quarterback compared to the ones he's had in the past? I don't know. Should we take Matt Ryan's MVP away from him? Because he also let the league in... Okay. And so that's where I look at for Brock Purdy.

Now, if you're asking me would I trade Brock Purdy for Patrick my homes straight up if I were the Niners? Yeah. I think I might take Patrick my homes on my team more. It's hard to separate out the teams and the situations. And then probably my last tongue-in-cheek reason for BrocPortie is the 81st highest paid quarterback in the NFL. So when you talk about value, you're getting for performance. No more point per dollar greater. So if we're going to go semantics on MVP, he is definitely the most valuable quarterback in the NFL.

That is completely fair point and would be a fun column, like the most valuable players in the NFL relative to how much money they're making, and he would run away with that. I hear everything you're saying, but I think multiple things can be true. I think Matt Ryan, that year, for instance, was so far ahead of the pack and was so exceptional in every way that it's okay to, in that year, that he made sense for that award and to look around the league right now. And again, the volume thing really does matter a lot to me personally. I think Jack and Lamar are having exceptional seasons, but I'm splitting nits. I also would say four weeks is an exceptionally long time to get to the end of the line in the MVP race. A lot of times what you think with four weeks to go, it completely changes. And for me, having pretty third among quarterbacks, it's like three among great quarterbacks having great seasons, and there's very little difference between them. I'm very open minded to seeing how this goes. But I think it's okay to break from what voters do in the past, too.

People say like, Well, Tyreke, you can't consider that because they haven't done it in the past. Why do we have to be slaves to what is often an unthinking process for a lot of the voters? Because I know some of their thought processes and they're just asking the assistants at the place they work at to do it for them. Sometimes we can break from the EPA has to be.

The choice. No, we actually can. I think it's just a little bit of a tough pill to swallow when all of a sudden for Brock, Purdy, it struggles. We don't have many non-first-round pick MVPs. I think it's Tom braided. Did Tom braided win the MVP?

Yes, he.

Won the MVP. And then you have Rich Gannon, Wright was the last after that. We have a little first-round PIC bias, so Doug Prescott doesn't follow that, but I think that could be a little bit of it too. Look, and I know the Brock Purdy stuff, if you really want to get me started on someone, it's probably Josh Allen. But I think you have to make the playoffs and they're still outside looking in. Josh Allen probably does more for his team than anyone right now.

I'm with you on that, and it's a good point. Doc Prescott, fourth round pick, Tyree Kill, fifth round pick, Brock Purdy, Mr. Irrelevant. So it's not all about the drafts. Sam, I would love to dive deep into all things Prime Vision, but I want to get you out of there before it gets too late. I appreciate you joining me. And look, if you're an overseas listener and you don't get Prime, I feel bad for you. But if you're here, because we do have a lot of listeners overseas, if you're in the States and you haven't been checking out, just hit that down button on the main broadcast. And it really does change. I wish it was an option, but maybe it's just nice as a once-a-week dessert or something like that. Watching the Coach's film and everything that goes on with The Prime Vision live is a much different experience than when you've tried to watch Coach's film or if you've watched Coach's film after the fact and on Game Pass or on NFL Plus or anything. It really is a fun, different way. It's like being there and it's been fun. And you've added a lot to the broadcast this year.

Appreciate you, Sam.

Thanks so much. Yeah, now you have my number, you have Alex Stran's number, you have other information, so you have ideas, you want to see something during the game, you send it over.

My son's got lots of ideas. He is hooked on Prime Vision. So he loves it too. So I will be bugging you with that. Our listeners, we will be bugging you again on Sunday. The recap show will be live. Wow, week 15, 16 games. We'll hit all the Saturday games on Sunday night. Until then, for Sam Schwartzstein. Head the call.